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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: Al Bundy - BJJ Brown Belt - speaks |
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jackjitsu 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 16118 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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BWAA HAHAHA HA HAH AH AHAHAH AHAHA HA
Bundy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, just wow... Old Ed had some strong opinions.
He was all over the place. I thought he was totally wrong on some stuff, totally right on other stuff, very interesting.
Interviewer looked like he was thinking "I cant get this guy to shut up now"  |
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jiujitsunoob 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Posts: 2989 Location: South East USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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He's still funny as s***.
I like that he says he's a natural - brown belt after 15 years - it's great when people can poke fun at themselves.
I think a lot of what he's saying about the UFC is correct as you can read in several of my other posts. |
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Cgonz1456
Joined: 20 Apr 2007 Posts: 2 Location: Anaheim
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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(long time reader, second time poster)
C'mon NO MA'AM gis (crossing fingers) |
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jackjitsu 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 16118 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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His point about being able to punch thru walls with big padded gloves (I think he really meant taped hands with light gloves) is very valid.
If you took away all hand protection, it would completely change the game of MMA and make it even more grappling oriented.
With professionally taped hands, this is really the BIGGEST advantage given to the strikers. Even more so than free stand ups.
Fighters would break their hands every single fight if they tried to strike with closed fists. We would see more open hand slapping, pankration style (old school Bas Rutten) and fewer knockouts.
Take away the free standups, and you are getting closer to a real fight, and the dynamics would change quite a lot.
But its like Ed said, UFC is now designed for exciting fights, not real fights.
His clowning of Chuck for piss poor striking was amusing  |
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bigwar

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Posts: 115 Location: Gifu-ken, Japan
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Letting strikers wear gloves and grapplers not wear gis is a travesty. |
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bma_mat 3 thumbs up


Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 10666 Location: Somewhere
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Letting strikers wear gloves and grapplers not wear gis is a travest |
I have to disagree, sure everyone has preferences, but I really think that the moment the grappeler puts on his gi, he's at a bigger disadvantage.
I mean, seriously, what's the use of a gi. It has two basic differences from No-Gi. It causes more friction, and it gives you places to grab. The part about giving places to grab is the more important one.
If a grappeler were to put on a gi against someone withought the gi, the guy withought the gi is at an advantage, since he has so many places to grab, and the grappeler gainst nothing. The friction gain is not enough of an advantage to give up so many grips to your opponant.
Ofcourse, if your opponent knows no grappeling, do as you like, but at this point, basically anyone in the UFC, etc. is minimam at a advnced blue belt level in BJJ, or other grappeling arts. |
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Micker 3 thumbs up


Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 252 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: ufc |
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Good interview.
I agree that the UFC is starting to lose the thing that started it. It was supposed to be a showcase for different styles to see who was best. After Royce dominated the early ufcs, it slowly started to become a hybrid of styles. It was fun to see a boxer vs a grappler or kung fu guy. Now people have anwsered the question of what style is best I guess. Seems to be the BJJ/Muay Thai combo with some Judo/wrestling is tough to beat. Its like all the guys are training everything now, so its more person vs person instead of martial art dicipline vs other fighting art.
It could start to get pretty stale though as people get so good at defending takedowns, subs etc.. Hell, a lot of times now people can't even do anything when they get a guys back ,due to such good RNC defense. People want to see awesome subs and knockouts. With the money and training the people in the sport are getting now, there are gonna be a lot of boring fights, as both fighters are just too good at everything. |
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jackjitsu 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 16118 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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UFC lost the original idea long long ago, its purely a sport now.
RNC's are very hard to do with tapped hands and gloves getting in the way. |
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Zending 3 thumbs up


Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 850 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Letting strikers wear gloves and grapplers not wear gis is a travesty. |
That actually got me thinking...it's true. I agree with that 100%. It should be an option for both parties involved. _________________ "Only a warrior chooses pacifism; others are condemned to it."
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jiujitsunoob 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Posts: 2989 Location: South East USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| jackjitsu wrote: |
UFC lost the original idea long long ago, its purely a sport now.
RNC's are very hard to do with tapped hands and gloves getting in the way. |
It's also just plain harder to grapple with gloves. A lot of those guys who are so good at take downs and stuff would have a harder time defending the take down if the grip was better, escapes would be easier if the grip was better, many of the submissions would be easier if the grip was better...etc. |
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bigwar

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Posts: 115 Location: Gifu-ken, Japan
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| bma_mat wrote: |
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| Letting strikers wear gloves and grapplers not wear gis is a travest |
I have to disagree, sure everyone has preferences, but I really think that the moment the grappeler puts on his gi, he's at a bigger disadvantage.
I mean, seriously, what's the use of a gi. It has two basic differences from No-Gi. It causes more friction, and it gives you places to grab. The part about giving places to grab is the more important one.
If a grappeler were to put on a gi against someone withought the gi, the guy withought the gi is at an advantage, since he has so many places to grab, and the grappeler gainst nothing. The friction gain is not enough of an advantage to give up so many grips to your opponant.
Ofcourse, if your opponent knows no grappeling, do as you like, but at this point, basically anyone in the UFC, etc. is minimam at a advnced blue belt level in BJJ, or other grappeling arts. |
I would say that its an advantage none the less. Alot of grip from wearing a gi is by grabbing your own. There are A LOT of chokes from guard that involve your own gi that would make it much more dangerous to ground and pound. I agree that both wearing gis would help the grappler more, but wearing one yourself would help nonetheless imho. I bet if you asked BJ if he would were one, he would. |
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jiujitsunoob 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Posts: 2989 Location: South East USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| Not in a MMA match - that's why Royce Gracie finally stopped wearing it because it was being used against him more than he could use it against his opponents. |
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Eother 3 thumbs up


Joined: 16 Feb 2007 Posts: 1770 Location: Plains
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| Not in a MMA match - that's why Royce Gracie finally stopped wearing it because it was being used against him more than he could use it against his opponents. |
I dunno, Royce lost the one UFC fight in which he took his gi off.  |
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jackjitsu 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 16118 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: |
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It depends. If your opponent has no clue how to use the GI against you, it could be an advantage to the grappler, especially with ezekiel choke and other gi chokes.
But if they are familiar with how to attack someone in a GI, its gonna work against you. Sakaruba specifically trained for someone wearing a GI and used it against Royce.
Even Mr No-Gi himself, Beddie Eravo wears GI pants for the extra grip. So ironic that he wears half a gi and bashes the gi so much  |
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jiujitsunoob 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Posts: 2989 Location: South East USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:17 am Post subject: |
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My school is so NO-GI that I once had a guy tell me I "can't do that" when I grabbed his shirt as an added grip.
I asked a higher level belt and he said if you both agree to use cloths it's fine.
I asked a different higher belt and he said "well it's going to happen if I'm in a real fight so it's all good" which leads me to believe that cloths are not used against anyone much.
However when I rolled against my instructor (who wears a gi) he didn't comment on it.
I really need to ask the head instructor for the correct answer for my school
I typically roll in a tee shirt and shorts as do 80% of the guys. Some of the guys wear GI pants, and 1 guy wears sweat pants and 2 shirts, 1 a T, the other a baggy long sleeve.
A lot of guys wear knee pads and/or wrestling shoes and/or braces of various types but so far except the occasional day I need my ankle brace I don't wear any of that stuff. |
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jackjitsu 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 16118 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:23 am Post subject: |
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I asked a different higher belt and he said "well it's going to happen if I'm in a real fight so it's all good" which leads me to believe that cloths are not used against anyone much |
You mean in no-gi class right? Thats true. Most people do not allow any kind clothing grab in no-gi class.
On the street, you better believe they will be holding on to anything and everything they can  |
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jiujitsunoob 3 thumbs up


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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| Yea my school does not have any gi classes, it's all no gi. |
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Micker 3 thumbs up


Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 252 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:42 pm Post subject: gi |
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The thing with gi pants is that most real world situations, they guy is going to be wearing pants/jeans. You won't find anyone wearing a gi-top unless you jump some kung-fu guy coming out of class . Shirts rip too easy and coats can be weird to grab.
As far as gloves go, they can hurt or help the grappler. I would rather someone have gloves on when I am applying an arm bar. It would be easier to get/keep his arm. RNC are much tougher or course, trying to get those big gloves in between his hands protecting his neck. It might be better for triangles as it would be harder to pull your arm out with gloves on. I also would rather get hit with gloves then knuckles. It spreads the impact out over a wider area and adds a minor cushion.
Ed O'neil says that boxers are way better at standup then any MMA guy. He makes it sound like MMA guys have no clue how to punch. I know a lot of the guys are Muay Thai specialists and they seem to punch and kick pretty dam good. He forgets that these guys just can't go in and punch away. They have to defend kicks and takedowns also. Its easy when you just have to concntrate on punches. You can't commit to some things like in boxing or you will get taken down or leg kicked like crazy. If Chuck Liddel could just concentrate on punches, he might look much better technically. Lets see how a Floyd Maywether reacts to a roundhouse kick to the legs when he is flotating that jab out there, or what happens when he goes to dodge a punch and gets taken down. In MMA you have to be good at the entire gamut of fighting. |
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bma_mat 3 thumbs up


Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 10666 Location: Somewhere
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Chuck Liddel in my oppinion is not that good of a puncher at all. He was fed pure cans. For a better word than cans, he was fed pure grappelers, which were perfect for his style. |
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