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bma_mat
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 Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Nah, I know quite a few guys who can't take a three finger jab (hitting them with the fingers) in the mid section. They lose their breath and get pissed of  |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject: abs |
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When I workout at home I have my wife beat me in the midsection when I do triangle drills/situps etc.. Its VERY good for strengthening your midsection, and my wife has fun beating me up  . |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: abs |
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| When I workout at home I have my wife beat me in the midsection when I do triangle drills/situps etc.. Its VERY good for strengthening your midsection, and my wife has fun beating me up . |
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dirt mcgirt
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I had to mentally train myself to do that, I guess because I am a woman we are not the best with the mid section tuffness so we have to literally train our bodies to adapt ,its not the same as a man to me. |
Boooo... Not true, I'm sure there are a chit load of men out there who would've collapsed from that same knee you took to the midsection. Its not about being a man or a woman, it's about conditioning your body to take the abuse. Didn't your mother and/or school teacher ever tell you women are just as capable of men?
Wait... wait, what am I saying? No you're not.. haha, sorry. |
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bma_mat
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Didn't your mother and/or school teacher ever tell you women are just as capable of men? |
While it would be nice to think, a woman's, in terms of physical strength, peaks MUCH lower than a man does. A man is built stronger, that's biology, because we are the hunters, the fighters. Women are biologically built to take care of kids, and do other works that are less strength orientated.
It's just evolution. So in this specific case, yes, she would have to train much harder than a man to be able to take the same strikes. |
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dirt mcgirt
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, thank you again mat.  |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Mat is obviously not from the US and does not know how to be PC. |
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jackjitsu
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I think mat is actually anti-PC. He just says things as he see's it. Tact is not in his vocab |
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rediska
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, that's one of the shortcomings of being brought up in a Slavic country. People over there don't value being polite, they value being straightforward and not hiding your true emotions like a hypocrite.
Anyway, I can testify that knees do hurt a lot. I have taken only one MMA class so far, but OUCH! We were doing padwork. However, it was my first time holding pads for someone, so I didn't know how to do it properly. Long story short, my partner was kneeing the pads and because I was just holding them there, my hands strong, instead of thrusting them towards his incoming knee (that's what I was supposed to be doing) I ate a couple of my own hands to the face. That hurt as much as an okay punch. Now that's despite the pads, and it wasn't even the knee itself that came into contact with my face... Draw conclusions accordingly.
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Forget that you are a woman. Just doing this sort of stuff means you have more willpower than a whole lot of men. Persevere. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:43 am Post subject: |
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[quote="dirt mcgirt"]
| Malissa wrote: |
| we have to literally train our bodies to adapt ,its not the same as a man to me. |
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| Its not about being a man or a woman, it's about conditioning your body to take the abuse. Didn't your mother and/or school teacher ever tell you women are just as capable of men? |
Well me being a woman I can speak from experience.... I feel we do have to train more mentally and physically in terms of the midsection. We have a lot more going on in the pelvis area then men so you cannot tell me its no different. But I have never quit, I have never let it set me aside from the men nor do I allow to be trained differently because I am a woman. I have three brothers and grew up whooping their ass before getting into Martial Arts over ten years ago. My older brother was the first one to ever punch me in the stomach and thats a punch I will never forget. I have been taught well how to keep it pushing no matter how bad the pain, but its a new breed of pain dealing with knees but I will not quit.  |
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jiujitsunoob
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| they value being straightforward and not hiding your true emotions like a hypocrite. |
I don't agree with a lot of PC stuff that goes on and I do think people should tell it like it is but there is usually a tactful way of doing it. People are who they are but can grow and change over time interpersonal communication is a skill just like MA and can be tuned and refined if the person puts forth the effort.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Love that Picture... Very Sexy  |
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bma_mat
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, that's one of the shortcomings of being brought up in a Slavic country. People over there don't value being polite, they value being straightforward and not hiding your true emotions like a hypocrite. |
Lol, I ofcourse value being polite. I'm a very polite person, and trust me, I have yet to meet anyone's parents who did not adore me. But I do speak my mind, and speak the trueth. I think it's bad how everyone tries to say things that they think people want to hear. Say what's on your mind people...
I mean, to say that being a woman makes no difference, that's plain absurd. Ofcourse it makes a huge difference. Sure, you can say it to make women feel better, but don't state it as a fact.
That's like someone telling me that it makes no difference that I'm a guy, that I have the same chance as any other girl to win a wet t-shirt contest. I mean, common, lol, it's obvious I don't physically have what it takes to win a wet t-shirt contest.
Males and females are built differently, and it's not possible to argue that women are built just as strong as men. They do have to work harder.
I don't see how it's rude to state the painfully obvious. |
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rediska
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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jiujitsunoob
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| People are who they are but can grow and change over time interpersonal communication is a skill just like MA and can be tuned and refined if the person puts forth the effort. |
I'm a living example of that. When I said that that's one of the shortcomings of being brought up in a Slavic country, I wasn't being sarcastic. It is a shortcoming, because when you are straightforward with people of another culture often times you are basically being rude without intending to. It took me a while to figure that out. I used to think I was doing everyone around me a favor by opening their eyes to all the failures of their culture. Somehow, they didn't appreciate it.
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It's because it's so damn obvious that saying it is rude. Do you really think anyone here is unaware of this? It just sounds like you are putting down girls. Don't tell me that you didn't mean to, I know you didn't, but that's what it sounds like. |
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bma_mat
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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You are first of all mistaking in terms of my upbringing. My childhood is not slavic. I have been raised all over the world. To limit my upbringing to one, two, or even three countries would be very incorrect. During my upbringing, I have lived on 5 continents, quite a few countries, and have spent many months (over a year when put together) on many islands in the carribean. So I have a very good picture of how cultures can differ, and have a great idea of the different tollerence levels of different cultures, what people consider rude/offensive, and how to basically intereact with defferent people.
Now, you have to realise something. The internet is not real life. Communication on the internet and communication in real life are two different things, and most of the time, they are used for two different objectives. Lets take a look into this. What do I go on the internet for. While the internet can be used as a social tool, and which we can even see on this forum, we do socialize with eachother, know eachother at least fairly well, my primary objective when surfing the web is not to socialize. If I wanted to socialize, it would be in real life, not on the internet.
I'm here to debate. I'm here to learn. I'm on these forums, and on many other websites, constantly reading up new things, be it about Martial Arts, recent science, etc. I debate to strengthen my practical knowledge of what I have read up, and what I have applied and learned. Debating reinforces what you know. When one can back up his points with words, and fight for something he believes in, it strengthens his base of knowledge.
This is a reason, that rather than coming onto these forums with subjective point of view, I come here with a rather objective point of view. You need to understand that.
Now that I have established this, lets go to the point at hand. Lets take a look at the original post of the other user, to get an idea of what I was arguing about. here we go:
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| Boooo... Not true, I'm sure there are a chit load of men out there who would've collapsed from that same knee you took to the midsection. Its not about being a man or a woman, it's about conditioning your body to take the abuse. Didn't your mother and/or school teacher ever tell you women are just as capable of men? |
While here, it is quite obvious that the intent of this post was to be supportive/kind/warm, it is still posted as if what he is saying were fact. And it is not fact, it is incorrect. While maybe in a utopia world, women would be just as capable in all jobs as men, and men would be just as capable in all jobs as women, it's incorrect, it's not reality. We are built differently for different things. Men are built physically stronger, that's fact, and you cannot argue the opposite.
Now you see my reason for responding to his post.
You say my post is rude though, which it is not, it is plainly objective, and correct in all forms. Lets take a look at it and analize it. And I will show you an example of a "rude" way to post the exact same thing I posted, to give you an idea of the difference between rude and objective.
My post:
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| While it would be nice to think, a woman's, in terms of physical strength, peaks MUCH lower than a man does. A man is built stronger, that's biology, because we are the hunters, the fighters. Women are biologically built to take care of kids, and do other works that are less strength orientated. |
Rude/ignorant form:
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| While it would be nice to think, women will always be weaken than men. Men are better than women, that's just biology. It has always been this way in nature, and will continue being so. |
Let me explain the difference now. I start off my post, explaining that I am refering to physical strength only. It would have been rude/ignorant to say that women would always be weaker than men. Weakness is WAY too vague to use there, which is why I specified. Also what I said is scientifically correct, because it is true, and you can see it with use of basic observation if you want to check it out.
I also said that a man is "built stronger". This is also true, men are built with higher ammounts of muscle mass, which means more strength. It WOULD have been rude/ignorant if I said men were "better", which is also a very vague way of saying it, implying more things than it should.
In the end, I posted the reason for all of these things, a short, easy to comprehend explanation. I stayed objective the whole time, not adding any "personal beliefs", but scientific facts. The rude form would be if I dismissed any reasons, saying that's it's that way because "it is".
Hope you now have a better idea of what "rude" is, and what being "objective" is. Here is a post by you:
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| It just sounds like you are putting down girls. |
If you now re-read my post, using the basic guidelines I posted above, reading into it objectively, and not subjectively, you will see that this is not the case at all, and that I was just explaining a post. The girl herself said she has to work more than men, someone told her she was mistaking, and I told that person that he was mistaking. I was backing up her original post with evidence.
Hope you understand that.
This post is in no way a flame to you, just somethign I felt like writing to help you understand the whole situation. You can't come into a forum thinking that when something sounds "unfair", that it is automatically rude. Sure, it may seem "unfair" that women are not as strong as men physically, and that they have a disadvantage in Jiu Jitsu because of it. But that's life. Try being more realistic about it. |
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rediska
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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bma_mat, I don't know where you were brought up, but you definetely seem to have a Slavic mentality. Soviet-influenced. It's kinda obvious.
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| I'm here to debate. I'm here to learn. I'm on these forums, and on many other websites, constantly reading up new things, be it about Martial Arts, recent science, etc. I debate to strengthen my practical knowledge of what I have read up, and what I have applied and learned. Debating reinforces what you know. When one can back up his points with words, and fight for something he believes in, it strengthens his base of knowledge. |
Good for you. Keep in mind that not everyone is here for the same reason and try seeking the truth not at the expense of others. The world doesn't revolve around you. Also, don't try to set right every statement that appears wrong to you. That will just annoy people. |
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bma_mat
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| IT did not "appear wrong" to me. IT was wrong. |
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bma_mat
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| And please define what soviet-mentality is. If I remember correctly, the education of the soviet country in general is so much better than that of the "capitalist" countries, it's not even funny. |
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rediska
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Lol, you so don't get it. Oh well, growing up is a long process, you gotta give it time. |
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bma_mat
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Lol, you so don't get it. Oh well, growing up is a long process, you gotta give it time. |
When at loss of words for an argument, it's better to stay silent than speak/type. Just a word of advice. |
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