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 Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:05 pm Post subject: Colorado Shooting |
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Anyone else just as distraught about this whole situation as I am????
Dude walks into a movie theater for The Dark Knight Rises midnight premier. Tosses a couple of cans of tear gas and just starts spraying bullets. 14 dead, 50 wounded.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Crazy Tragic. Really young children dead too. But in a country with 300 MILLION people, almost surprised it doesnt happen monthly. 50K die per year in just car accidents.  Lots of straight up crazies out there.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Colorado Shooting |
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Anyone else just as distraught about this whole situation as I am????
Dude walks into a movie theater for The Dark Knight Rises midnight premier. Tosses a couple of cans of tear gas and just starts spraying bullets. 14 dead, 50 wounded.
WTF is wrong with people??? |
I am too man. It's a horrible day...I didn't even realize this happened until late in the day, and I'm extremely mad and sad that something like this has happened.
It's early to know what's going on with the perpetrator...but little prior contact with the police, intelligent person ...not a likely candidate for a sociopath. It's very scary considering how aparently planned out this was. Has to be some kind of schizo break in this guy...but I don't understand the timeline and how he can be a clean guy and then over a couple of months just pull this off collecting weapons ammo and go self destruct and kill so many people.
I think they gotta look at something related to the ammo. The guy had a 100 round magazine they said for his AR. Who needs that? Maybe it doesn't matter but it should be allowed because they want it, but if you're getting a 100 round magazine maybe someone should be checking you out a little more carefully.
It's definitely a fine line because if you cede all power to the state it changes everything...but my thinking is ok the state has tanks and stealth bombers and helicopter gunships...it's already too late for that line of thinking that you can do something really if shite hits the fan. i couldn't say myself what would be the logical way to draw the line, though. The crazy wacks these days would walk into a movie theatre with a bandolier of pistols with one shot a piece and still do crazy shite like this. It's nuts.
I'll tell you what's coming although I don't necessarily support it. There will be a government database to cross reference purchases, gas mask, 100 drum mags, tear gas, tatical vests, etc...just a matter of time. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Colorado Shooting |
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I'll tell you what's coming although I don't necessarily support it. There will be a government database to cross reference purchases, gas mask, 100 drum mags, tear gas, tatical vests, etc...just a matter of time. |
Thats already here. Go buy an assault rifle, and 1000 rounds of ammo. Then take a plane trip somewhere and you will be magically randomly selected for a scan, pat down and swabbed for residue. Has happened too enough people I know that its beyond mere chance.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Colorado Shooting |
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I'll tell you what's coming although I don't necessarily support it. There will be a government database to cross reference purchases, gas mask, 100 drum mags, tear gas, tatical vests, etc...just a matter of time. |
Thats already here. Go buy an assault rifle, and 1000 rounds of ammo. Then take a plane trip somewhere and you will be magically randomly selected for a scan, pat down and swabbed for residue. Has happened too enough people I know that its beyond mere chance. |
Well, not like what I'm saying or else this guy would have triggered an alert / investigation. You'd be surprised what kind of crazy aggregation scenarios are in place for anti-money laundering / terrorist financing on the programming side.
I don't want to derail though. I'm not sure what you can do to prevent whackjobs from causing mass chaos. It's a real tragedy.
Hard to imagine what you can do if you are even there. Totally surprised and 30 feet from a dude armed to the teeth with an AR, shotgun, and pistols. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: Colorado Shooting |
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Thats already here. Go buy an assault rifle, and 1000 rounds of ammo. Then take a plane trip somewhere and you will be magically randomly selected for a scan, pat down and swabbed for residue. Has happened too enough people I know that its beyond mere chance. |
They grope me, unpack both my carry-on and checked bags, and swab my luggage *every* single time. I think just having a CPL puts you on a List, which is sad. I can't come up with a single thing else that would have put me on a List. And I'm 5 feet tall, 130lb and look like a teenage girl, so it's not my menacing appearance that's getting me targeted.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely horrific....And the murderous scumbag didn't even have the decency to off himself at the end like the assholes at Columbine and Virginia Tech did.
Their needs be some type of limited torture law that would allow torture in instances like this...The death penalty is to good for this f***ing a**hole. If you go into a classroom/movie threatre/store whatever and start spraying bullets everywhere if you don't kill yourself....I want you tortured....and than after significant torture we will give you the death penalty.
In most instances the lunatic/lunatics do off himself/themselves at the end like in Columbine and VTech but, their are exceptions...The Anders Brevik guy in Norway and now this guy....Both should be publicly tortured and than executed in the most painful way possible |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Yea this thing was crazy. My girl told me about it the next morning because I went to the midnight showing with some old friends. They had an extra ticket and found out I was in town. They had been there all day and so we were in the front of the line. Scary that someone could do something like this. Since then at the theater I look around and think about where to take cover and what to do in such a situation (I went to see it again the next morning). I always have thought like this though as far as being in a room with a lot of people such as a school room/plane/theater since all this crap started to happen.
Sad that I have to think this way but I like to have plans for all scenarios.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:52 am Post subject: |
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Absolutely horrific....And the murderous scumbag didn't even have the decency to off himself at the end like the assholes at Columbine and Virginia Tech did.
Their needs be some type of limited torture law that would allow torture in instances like this...The death penalty is to good for this f***ing a**hole. If you go into a classroom/movie threatre/store whatever and start spraying bullets everywhere if you don't kill yourself....I want you tortured....and than after significant torture we will give you the death penalty.
In most instances the lunatic/lunatics do off himself/themselves at the end like in Columbine and VTech but, their are exceptions...The Anders Brevik guy in Norway and now this guy....Both should be publicly tortured and than executed in the most painful way possible |
Couldn't have said it better myself. These types of occurrences make me want to study gurreilla warfare and sniper tactics. I was speaking to a few people about this incident the morning it happened. As usual, I got up from bed, tied my dog outside and gave him food and water, was getting ready to go shower and eat before work and this is all over the news.
It brought up old feelings of anger, outrage, sorrow and sadness. When I was in high school doing the same routine before my high school classes, I witnessed live an airplane going into one of the twin towers.
I just think to myself "How can people do this to innocents?" "Why kids??" A total lack of any sort of honor on these peoples mind. I would never use any martial arts training weapons based or empty hand period unless I was put in a situation where I had no alternative, and then only as much as I needed to to neutralize the danger.
That may sound a little nuts, but I don't look at life like a game. These types of people stand against everything that I am for, and I find it despicable. Sad truth of warfare is there are no rules. I think this guy just snapped. I am not sure of his record, or if even had one, but he was a well educated young man.
I too believe in torture in the most sever ways against these kinds of people. Sad thing is now a defense attorney could claim he was mentally ill or temporarily insane. Give em some meds and put em in the nut house. Many states don't even support the death penalty. Minnesota my state doesn't.  |
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The guy is obviously crazy. How else could you do something like this? Who knows if he will be legally insanse or not. "Legally insane" is complete horseshit in my opinion.
However, if this guy is claiming he's the joker I don't think there's a snowball's chance he will meet the end he deserves. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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The guy is obviously crazy. How else could you do something like this? Who knows if he will be legally insanse or not. "Legally insane" is complete horseshit in my opinion.
However, if this guy is claiming he's the joker I don't think there's a snowball's chance he will meet the end he deserves. |
"Legally insane" is a simple moment where one feeds their sinful fantasies for a cold reality. It is not a very excusable mentality when taken to this extreme. Have I ever gotten mad and yelled at people I cared about? Yes. Have I ever gotten so angry that I just wanted to beat something? Yes, that's why I have a punching bag. Would I walk into a school and open fire? Hell no!! If I have beef with someone, they are the ones that have to deal with the beef. Not people in a theater. He wasn't crazy in the moment. He wanted to make a statement, he wanted the notoriety. And the media coverage gives him just what he wants. Best resolution IMO? Snuff out all media coverage. Say no more. Make a public statement with this man. Hell, have him drawn and quartered, I don't care. He wanted to engage in a civilian setting, then he must pay for hit. Stoning to death would be too good. And the gas chamber or firing squad? Forget about it. One day (I'm 29 right now) I will have kids. I just wish I could raise them in a world where they wouldn't have to worry about this sort of thing. But it's all too much a reality. Seeing this on the news is one thing. Being personally involved in it much different. A 6 year old child? Really? This isn't Vietnam, where children are raised ready for war. If I want to take my eventual child to a movie he really wants to see, ok! That's called being a good dad. Would I trust my life in the hands of a *most likely* out of shape security officer or law enforcement official? Hell no! |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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The guy is obviously crazy. How else could you do something like this? Who knows if he will be legally insanse or not. "Legally insane" is complete horseshit in my opinion.
However, if this guy is claiming he's the joker I don't think there's a snowball's chance he will meet the end he deserves. |
One more thing. You said is claiming he is the joker. Notice this happened at Batman premier. Have I ever fantasized about being a baddass like the joker in the dark night? Hell yes! But even he had moral stand points. Sure, he targeted civilians, but why? Because he wanted to make a point. It wasn't violence for violence like this guy seemed to be. I'm not fooled by his charade. He's is trying to be covert, playing the system. Ever read or watched Primal Fear? He obviously didn't want to take his own life, or he would have. He is trying to make a statement. Hell, Charles Manson sang songs of love while committing others to kill. But why? All for cover. And he would have kept doing it if the Sharron Tate situation didn't spoil over. My opinion? This guy was an exceptionally smart person. Probably had a 4.0 average his whole school career. Held a degrees in neuroscience. He knew chemical warfare and what tear gas could do. Create chaos where he could just start poppin. I'd kill for a chance for him to be stripped of weapons and engage in hand to hand with me. He isn't that type. He is the type that gets upset cause he chased his girlfriend off and now she's with you so he plots for 10 years and snipes you out when you are picking strawberries or something like that. A complete non warrior crazy coward. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Just re read what I wrote, and I said something that was oxymoron. I said he enjoyed violence for violence, then went on to say he wanted to make a statement. My apologize, this subject is near to my heart.
I really do think he just wanted to commit violence for violence's sake. But a possible motif was that he was tired of being ignored. Tired of being the teachers pet and wanted to show what he was capable of. Probably got beat up playing basketball.
This is why I say,no disrespect to those closely involved, media coverage needs to be snuffed. They are giving him exactly what he wants.
Ahhh. Power. There is his mission statement. I understand him now.
Sorry everyone, just highly nerdish. Want to figure this mess out! |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely horrific....And the murderous scumbag didn't even have the decency to off himself at the end like the assholes at Columbine and Virginia Tech did.
Their needs be some type of limited torture law that would allow torture in instances like this...The death penalty is to good for this f***ing a**hole. If you go into a classroom/movie threatre/store whatever and start spraying bullets everywhere if you don't kill yourself....I want you tortured....and than after significant torture we will give you the death penalty.
In most instances the lunatic/lunatics do off himself/themselves at the end like in Columbine and VTech but, their are exceptions...The Anders Brevik guy in Norway and now this guy....Both should be publicly tortured and than executed in the most painful way possible |
Couldn't have said it better myself. These types of occurrences make me want to study gurreilla warfare and sniper tactics. I was speaking to a few people about this incident the morning it happened. As usual, I got up from bed, tied my dog outside and gave him food and water, was getting ready to go shower and eat before work and this is all over the news.
It brought up old feelings of anger, outrage, sorrow and sadness. When I was in high school doing the same routine before my high school classes, I witnessed live an airplane going into one of the twin towers.
I just think to myself "How can people do this to innocents?" "Why kids??" A total lack of any sort of honor on these peoples mind. I would never use any martial arts training weapons based or empty hand period unless I was put in a situation where I had no alternative, and then only as much as I needed to to neutralize the danger.
That may sound a little nuts, but I don't look at life like a game. These types of people stand against everything that I am for, and I find it despicable. Sad truth of warfare is there are no rules. I think this guy just snapped. I am not sure of his record, or if even had one, but he was a well educated young man.
I too believe in torture in the most sever ways against these kinds of people. Sad thing is now a defense attorney could claim he was mentally ill or temporarily insane. Give em some meds and put em in the nut house. Many states don't even support the death penalty. Minnesota my state doesn't. |
Yea....the problem is that when you even suggest torture than all the idiots come out with the "slippery slope excuse" You know the "Omg if we allow a mass murderer to be tortured it may eventually set the stage for torturing a guy who steals a pizza! Omg Omg it's a dangerous slippery slope guys!!"
Or "Omg if we allow a terminally ill cancer ridden patient to commit assisted suicide...than whats to stop a doctor from snuffing a person with a paper cut omg omg Slipper Slope"
Like I said in most instances the guy has a death wish and off's himself at the end of the rampage....so their not much you can do after that bur on the rare occasion they come out alive I want revenge...
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I witnessed live an airplane going into one of the twin towers.
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Yea my uncle was in NYC that day (through far away from the towers) but he remembers watching it live on tv from his office building.
Even worse one of my neighbors was actually in the exact hallway of the building at Virginia Tech ( I live in Virginia) that got shot up back in 2007....In fact the gunman tried to get into his classroom (classroom 205) but they had barricaded it and he wasn't able to get in....all the surrounding classrooms were badly shot up.
"Students, including Zach Petkewicz, barricaded the door of room 205 with a large table after substitute professor Haiyan Cheng and a student saw Cho heading toward them. Cho shot several times through the door but failed to force his way in. No one in that classroom was wounded or killed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_tech_massacre#Norris_Hall_shootings
Thank Rickson Gracie he is okay and it really all comes down to just not being in the wrong place at the wrong time....That's unfortunately all their is to it when talking about these lunatics going on gun rampages. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Sad truth of warfare is there are no rules. I think this guy just snapped. I am not sure of his record, or if even had one, but he was a well educated young man. |
there are rules in warfare. ever heard of the geneva convention? |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Sad truth of warfare is there are no rules. I think this guy just snapped. I am not sure of his record, or if even had one, but he was a well educated young man. |
there are rules in warfare. ever heard of the geneva convention? |
Yes I have. People have all kinds of fancy ideas when it comes to war fare, but the fact is, real war is life over death. Not a competition medal, and not a MMA fight.
Why did America lose in Vietnam? Because we had a severe disadvantage. Not only were we on another countries turf, but they didn't follow our method of engagement. Many countries do not. Do you think that Iran (our supposed next big threat) or Iraq supply their troops with military uniforms the way we do? No they do not. They will have women and children act as innocents to lure us into some sort of obscure belief that they are not a threat, when in fact they are. You would never catch me sending my woman or future child into a battlefield. If anything I want to provide a way for them to never have to go through the things I have.
When it comes to what the martial arts truly represent (martial means military btw), they are meant for self preservation. Think about that. I was raised to have honor, respect, and loyalty. Think of someone raised from birth to believe everything opposite. They would have no trouble killing a child (like the man in the theater) or shooting innocents like teenage kids taking their first girlfriends on a first date. Seriously? What is the world coming to?
The martial arts are about one thing mainly, and that is winning in combat. But a true man would never hurt someone without cause. Think about BJJ for a second. This art has changed my life for the better. As a person of honor, I could never walk around and just grab a childs arm and break it. Nor a womans. These people just don't care. It's sickening. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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When it comes to what the martial arts truly represent (martial means military btw), they are meant for self preservation. Think about that. I was raised to have honor, respect, and loyalty. Think of someone raised from birth to believe everything opposite. They would have no trouble killing a child (like the man in the theater) or shooting innocents like teenage kids taking their first girlfriends on a first date. Seriously? What is the world coming to?
The martial arts are about one thing mainly, and that is winning in combat. But a true man would never hurt someone without cause. Think about BJJ for a second. This art has changed my life for the better. As a person of honor, I could never walk around and just grab a childs arm and break it. Nor a womans. These people just don't care. It's sickening. |
They don't care because alot of them are mentally ill...Can't expect a mentally ill person to be rational.
The odd thing about this case is that the shooter (won't even mention his name) apparently has NO history of prior weird/disturbing behavior and was never even taken to a psychologist or taken to any type of counseling help etc. He had no prior history to indicate that he would be at risk to do such a thing. Which is the most bizarre thing about this case.
The Virginia Tech shooter on the other hand was diagnosed with severe social anxiety/selective mutism from early childhood and saw psychologists his entire childhood...He was declared mentally ill 2 years before the rampage and had a huge history of disturbing behavior (stalking classmates, taking pictures of girls, writing threatening poems etc etc) with numerous complaints from both teachers and students...plus he was also suicidal for a very long time.....The Arizona shooter Jared Lee Loughner also had shown signs of disturbing behavior and was mentally ill...These 2 cases are much more reflective of most people who commit these horrible rampages. |
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| Eric wrote: |
| Sad truth of warfare is there are no rules. I think this guy just snapped. I am not sure of his record, or if even had one, but he was a well educated young man. |
there are rules in warfare. ever heard of the geneva convention? |
Yes I have. People have all kinds of fancy ideas when it comes to war fare, but the fact is, real war is life over death. Not a competition medal, and not a MMA fight.
Why did America lose in Vietnam? Because we had a severe disadvantage. Not only were we on another countries turf, but they didn't follow our method of engagement. Many countries do not. Do you think that Iran (our supposed next big threat) or Iraq supply their troops with military uniforms the way we do? No they do not. They will have women and children act as innocents to lure us into some sort of obscure belief that they are not a threat, when in fact they are. You would never catch me sending my woman or future child into a battlefield. If anything I want to provide a way for them to never have to go through the things I have.
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the fight against iraq/iran is not even fair to begin with. our technology and weaponry are light years ahead of iraq/iran. so this goes back to the united states. should they bully people around because of their superior firepower? this to me as just as bad as the iraq/iran troops who use women and children as shields. |
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