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jackjitsu
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 Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:19 am Post subject: Cancer sucks even more than I imagined --> graph |
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Very interesting graphic I came across today.
5,10,15,20 year survival rates by cancer type.
Each line shows the TREND for each type.
So you can see the STARTING survival rate, AND how fast it drops off every 5 years.
WHAT COMPLETELY SUCKS IS, even if you beat cancer, you have to live under the constant shadow of recurrence. 
If I ever get cancer, I just hope its thyroid cancer. High survival rate that is stable over time.
F this disease. *ugh*. I cant imagine.
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jackjitsu
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:23 am Post subject: |
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Good time for this chart
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Jack, you have no idea.
I have a CT scan to do a second check on my lungs on April 10th. Already had the first check when then found these things called nodules (Means something there, we don't know what, lol) They were I guess to small to do a Biopsy. I am hoping the second comes back ok.
I have never ben scared of dying I never even thought about it but these last few months have been scary.
I smoked for 15 years and quit cold turkey in 2008. I figured if I quit at age 30 I could beat the health problems. I may have gambled a little too much.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:41 am Post subject: |
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There are so many terrible ways to die, cancer being one of them. We all have to die some way.
Good look on the lung biopsy and congrats on quiting smoking. |
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jackjitsu
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:43 am Post subject: |
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Like I said.... I cant imagine.
The closest ive come to cancer is my mom getting breast cancer, and she survived. But who knows in 20 years... the odds just go down down down.
As I get older, I just find myself more and more thankful ive even made it this far.
At 43, too many people ive known my age are already dead.
Lung cancer survival rates are horrible. Scarryyyyyyyyyyy stuff man.
I randomly came across the lung cancer survival rate numbers a month ago. Then at lunch with one of my training partners who I smelled smoke on while rolling, I brought it up. I was like hey.... did you know the lung cancer survival rate is only like 6% at 20 years? Dude, you have 3 little kids. QUIT NOW. His eyes kinda got all big. He had no idea. He's african american, and the fatality rate is 38% higher for this group, so even worse. Im gonna scare him into quitting, I swear.
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Carlos Gracie ---> Carlos Gracie Jr. ---> Nelson Monteiro ---> Marcelo Pereira ---> My blue belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Carlson Gracie --->Mario Sperry ---> Carlos Aveline ---> Odie Neto ---> My purple belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Helio Gracie ---> Royce Gracie ---> Billy Dowey/Jason Culbreth ---> My brown belt
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ullmanm
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Like I said.... I cant imagine.
The closest ive come to cancer is my mom getting breast cancer, and she survived. But who knows in 20 years... the odds just go down down down.
As I get older, I just find myself more and more thankful ive even made it this far.
At 43, too many people ive known my age are already dead.
Lung cancer survival rates are horrible. Scarryyyyyyyyyyy stuff man.
I randomly came across the lung cancer survival rate numbers a month ago. Then at lunch with one of my training partners who I smelled smoke on while rolling, I brought it up. I was like hey.... did you know the lung cancer survival rate is only like 6% at 20 years? Dude, you have 3 little kids. QUIT NOW. His eyes kinda got all big. He had no idea. He's african american, and the fatality rate is 38% higher for this group, so even worse. Im gonna scare him into quitting, I swear. |
lung cancer is a leader cause of brain tumors. I can't believe cigarettes are legal while things like weed are not. It baffles me. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Like I said.... I cant imagine.
The closest ive come to cancer is my mom getting breast cancer, and she survived. But who knows in 20 years... the odds just go down down down.
As I get older, I just find myself more and more thankful ive even made it this far.
At 43, too many people ive known my age are already dead.
Lung cancer survival rates are horrible. Scarryyyyyyyyyyy stuff man.
I randomly came across the lung cancer survival rate numbers a month ago. Then at lunch with one of my training partners who I smelled smoke on while rolling, I brought it up. I was like hey.... did you know the lung cancer survival rate is only like 6% at 20 years? Dude, you have 3 little kids. QUIT NOW. His eyes kinda got all big. He had no idea. He's african american, and the fatality rate is 38% higher for this group, so even worse. Im gonna scare him into quitting, I swear. |
lung cancer is a leader cause of brain tumors. I can't believe cigarettes are legal while things like weed are not. It baffles me. |
It's not that lung cancer causes brain cancer. The lung cancer spreads (metastases) to the brain, it's lung cancer in your brain. The spread of any cancer to a second area is usually a sign of advanced disease and offers a bad prognosis.
Also why should cigarettes be made illegal?
We are all adults who can make life choices based on risks. Some may decide the risk of lung cancer is worth it for the enjoyment they get from smoking. I personally think smoking is a bad decision. Some people make bad decisions, I don't think law should be in place to stop people making bad decisions.
Also if smoking were to be made illegal than so should alcohol as it is probably even more damaging to society than tobacco. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| Pikachu wrote: |
| ullmanm wrote: |
| jackjitsu wrote: |
Like I said.... I cant imagine.
The closest ive come to cancer is my mom getting breast cancer, and she survived. But who knows in 20 years... the odds just go down down down.
As I get older, I just find myself more and more thankful ive even made it this far.
At 43, too many people ive known my age are already dead.
Lung cancer survival rates are horrible. Scarryyyyyyyyyyy stuff man.
I randomly came across the lung cancer survival rate numbers a month ago. Then at lunch with one of my training partners who I smelled smoke on while rolling, I brought it up. I was like hey.... did you know the lung cancer survival rate is only like 6% at 20 years? Dude, you have 3 little kids. QUIT NOW. His eyes kinda got all big. He had no idea. He's african american, and the fatality rate is 38% higher for this group, so even worse. Im gonna scare him into quitting, I swear. |
lung cancer is a leader cause of brain tumors. I can't believe cigarettes are legal while things like weed are not. It baffles me. |
It's not that lung cancer causes brain cancer. The lung cancer spreads (metastases) to the brain, it's lung cancer in your brain. The spread of any cancer to a second area is usually a sign of advanced disease and offers a bad prognosis.
Also why should cigarettes be made illegal?
We are all adults who can make life choices based on risks. Some may decide the risk of lung cancer is worth it for the enjoyment they get from smoking. I personally think smoking is a bad decision. Some people make bad decisions, I don't think law should be in place to stop people making bad decisions.
Also if smoking were to be made illegal than so should alcohol as it is probably even more damaging to society than tobacco. |
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SetOnKill
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:32 am Post subject: |
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I don't blame cigarettes, I blame my own stupidity. One too many times I played the odds when I was warned otherwise, smoking is no different.
Just hope it is in me to beat the odds one last time.
I think minor possession of ciarettes should be delt with more harshly. Maybe online with Marijuana.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| Pikachu wrote: |
| ullmanm wrote: |
| jackjitsu wrote: |
Like I said.... I cant imagine.
The closest ive come to cancer is my mom getting breast cancer, and she survived. But who knows in 20 years... the odds just go down down down.
As I get older, I just find myself more and more thankful ive even made it this far.
At 43, too many people ive known my age are already dead.
Lung cancer survival rates are horrible. Scarryyyyyyyyyyy stuff man.
I randomly came across the lung cancer survival rate numbers a month ago. Then at lunch with one of my training partners who I smelled smoke on while rolling, I brought it up. I was like hey.... did you know the lung cancer survival rate is only like 6% at 20 years? Dude, you have 3 little kids. QUIT NOW. His eyes kinda got all big. He had no idea. He's african american, and the fatality rate is 38% higher for this group, so even worse. Im gonna scare him into quitting, I swear. |
lung cancer is a leader cause of brain tumors. I can't believe cigarettes are legal while things like weed are not. It baffles me. |
It's not that lung cancer causes brain cancer. The lung cancer spreads (metastases) to the brain, it's lung cancer in your brain. The spread of any cancer to a second area is usually a sign of advanced disease and offers a bad prognosis.
Also why should cigarettes be made illegal?
We are all adults who can make life choices based on risks. Some may decide the risk of lung cancer is worth it for the enjoyment they get from smoking. I personally think smoking is a bad decision. Some people make bad decisions, I don't think law should be in place to stop people making bad decisions.
Also if smoking were to be made illegal than so should alcohol as it is probably even more damaging to society than tobacco. |
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I said lung cancer is a leading cause of brain tumors, not brain cancer. I realize it is the lung cancer spreading to your brain.
That said, I agree people should be able to make their own decisions. What baffles me is the government outlaws weed but not tobacco. I would think you would either legalize both or make both illegal (I realize there are arguments for both sides). |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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I had a friend pass away three years ago who originally got cancer before I met her in her throat in her mid-late 20's. She beat that, and although surgery left her with a gravelly sort of voice because of changes in her vocal chords she was free and went on until 41 with no problem. She got liver cancer at that time, and ended up with two fairly painful surgeries, radiation and chemo to follow...a real ordeal that lasted about another year just in itself.
She was cancer free again until 44, but it came back in her shoulder blade bone I believe, eventually spread system wide and unfortunately took her after another horrible year. The destruction it wreaked on her was very sad. Near the end she broke her foot just walking around.
I've also seen my grandfather go from lung cancer as a child. Not pretty, but I didn't realize what was going on at the time but looking back it was a mess. And somewhat more recently my grandmother from bowel cancer. Not at all pretty. Aunt recently as well from liver cancer.
So yeah, cancer sucks. Every case I have seen has involved a difficult initial ordeal, treatment which in itself is devastating, and some amount of time of semi-wellness which ultimately came to an end as the (a?) cancer came back in a different and worse form.
Seeing the treatments and their side effects first hand they are brutal. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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*ugh* thats horrible man. Id be freaking out just from the fact that multiple relatives have had cancer in my family.
Ive heard several people say chemo was so bad they would rather die than go through that a 2nd time. So you know its gotta be nightmarishly bad.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Not to denigrate the awfulness of cancer at all, but something to remember when considering the graph in the OP is that many cancers are strongly associated with old age, which will have an effect on the drop off in survival rates. |
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jackjitsu
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, id like to see the same graphs done for 20-30 year olds, 30-40 year olds, 40-50 year olds, etc
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Carlos Gracie ---> Carlson Gracie --->Mario Sperry ---> Carlos Aveline ---> Odie Neto ---> My purple belt
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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It continually impresses on me how flat out BAD cancer has to be when you look at all the medical advancements we've made in the last 20 years or so. So many things have become "treatable" even if we haven't eradicated them. Tons of lesser medical scares have come and gone. We can inject drug overdoses in the field now and practically bring a person back from the brink....
but cancer, for all the money and time that has been thrown at it by very, very smart and dedicated people, still seems to be going strong. Unbelievable how complex and resilient it has to be. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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Back to the "age" argument. Why does thyroid cancer NOT have the big drop off like most other cancers?
Is it a young persons disease?
Or is it that age is factored out of these charts? In other words, non-cancer causes of death are not counted for older patients.
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Carlos Gracie ---> Carlson Gracie --->Mario Sperry ---> Carlos Aveline ---> Odie Neto ---> My purple belt
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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It's also sad to realize that cancer by and large isn't super related to genetics. Yes genetics play a role in cancer, and some cancers more than others. But environmental factors seem to cause cancers at a much higher rate.
f***ing poisons man, they are everywhere. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| jackjitsu wrote: |
Back to the "age" argument. Why does thyroid cancer NOT have the big drop off like most other cancers?
Is it a young persons disease?
Or is it that age is factored out of these charts? In other words, non-cancer causes of death are not counted for older patients. |
According to Wikipedia by far the most common form of thyroid cancer primarily affects young women, and is also the most likely of the different thyroid cancers to occur in children, which would seem to indicate that thyroid cancer is relatively heavily represented in younger people. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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Aha! That solves that mystery.
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Carlos Gracie ---> Carlson Gracie --->Mario Sperry ---> Carlos Aveline ---> Odie Neto ---> My purple belt
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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My dad was diagnosed with Lymphoma in 1999. It is an incurable cancer, HOWEVER, you can go into remission forever. It basically just sits there dormant forever. They say that if it stays in remission for 5 years, it rarely comes back. My Dad has been in remission for almost 9 years now. We are very lucky and blessed. It is such a scary thing. But almost all cancers are preventable! Live healthy! SetOnKill, I hope all goes well for you buddy! I'm sure it will be fine! I worked with a guy who smoked for over 20 years and had a string of growths in his throat all the way to his lungs. They all came back benine (not cancerous).
He threw away his cigarettes forever after that. Congrats on quitting! |
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