Just kidding but I just noticed that Joe Rogan is a tard.
I was looking at the back of his book and a quote from Joe stated that
Eddies ways are not only different but better to boot. LOL
Ok Jack I finally see what you mean about the hype.
Yeeeeaaaaaahhhh BoYYYYY!!!!! _________________ First rule of FART club, Don`t talk about fart club!!!!
Yeah I have the book and it's quite funny. It'll help marketing of course, but completely untrue. It's not a "new revolutionary system" as they say. It's whatever dude... haha _________________ Renzo Gracie Rockland Jiu-Jitsu
If you forget the hype and self-promotion, isn't there still some value to the techniques that Eddie teaches? I'm still new to the art, but I enjoy watching Eddie's videos if for no other reason than I never see anyone in person attempting the techniques he advocates.
Joe Rogan is a friend and student of Beddie Eravo. You can bet those dudes pass the bong together on a regular basis.
Which is fine, but I get annoyed when he blathers on about eleventh Pleenet during a UFC fight, whenever he sees a fighter attempt a technique that even remotely resembles one of theirs. _________________
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I don't like the way his website copied my glossary without permission, but apart from that, I don't have any issues with Bravo.
While the introduction is ridiculous, Mastering the molestation guard is a well-organised piece of work, which does a great job of connecting up the techniques. It isn't his fault he gets lots of noobs trying molestation guard before they've got any of the BJJ fundamentals down, though it is definitely a problem for some beginners (still, they seem to generally grow out of it). _________________ BJJ Articles, BJJ Beginner FAQ, BJJ Product Reviews
If you forget the hype and self-promotion, isn't there still some value to the techniques that Eddie teaches?
Yes, its just that their effectiveness is so over hyped.
Just watch the world champs roll in the ADCC. Then decide on what techniques you should focus on. I assure you, it wont be eddies. _________________ New to this site? Please review the rules
" Its CRUCIAL to train with the GI to have the finest technique." - Marcelo Garcia - worlds best NO GI grappler
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Carlos Gracie ---> Carlos Gracie Jr. ---> Nelson Monteiro ---> Marcelo Pereira ---> My blue belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Carlson Gracie --->Mario Sperry ---> Carlos Aveline ---> Odie Neto ---> My purple belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Helio Gracie ---> Royce Gracie ---> Billy Dowey/Jason Culbreth ---> My brown belt
I'm still new to the art, but I enjoy watching Eddie's videos if for no other reason than I never see anyone in person attempting the techniques he advocates.
Ha, best backhanded compliment so far.
There is a reason you never see a high level competitor attempting his techniques.
Ouch! Dude. That's pretty bad. Have you contacted Dan Rizzuto or Eddie about this?
slideyfoot wrote:
^ Americana: also known as American armbar, bent armlock, figure-four, figure-4, hammerlock, paint brush, top wrist lock, ude garami, keylock, lateral keylock, v-lock, and chave de braço (Portuguese). A submission in which you grasp your opponent's wrist with one hand, then bring your other arm underneath theirs, grabbing your own wrist (see FIGURE-FOUR). With the opponent's elbow pointing downwards, you then use your grip to simultaneously push their wrist back and lift their elbow up.
The name 'Americana' comes from a trip Bob Anderson made to Brazil in 1978, during which he trained (initally by accident, as he was supposed to be meeting with the Brazilian Wrestling Federation, not a jiu-jitsu school) with the legendary Rolls Gracie. According to Anderson, "I didn't come down there and go 'ok, I'm going to show you the Americana armbar and I'm the guy that invented it', it just grew out of what I knew and what he [Rolls] liked...he later - I didn't even know - he called it the Americana because I was the American wrestler that came down and showed him the move and that's how the Americana armbar got started."
10thPlanet-Eddie wrote:
AMERICANA: also known as American armbar, bent armlock, figure-four, figure-4, hammerlock, paint brush, top wrist lock, ude garami, keylock, lateral keylock, v-lock, and chave de braço (Portuguese). A submission in which you grasp your opponent's wrist with one hand, then bring your other arm underneath theirs, grabbing your own wrist With the opponent's elbow pointing downwards, you then use your grip to simultaneously push their wrist back and lift their elbow up.
The name 'Americana' comes from a trip Bob Anderson made to Brazil in 1978, during which he trained (initially by accident, as he was supposed to be meeting with the Brazilian Wrestling Federation, not a jiu-jitsu school) with the legendary Rolls Gracie. According to Anderson, "I didn't come down there and go 'ok, I'm going to show you the Americana armbar and I'm the guy that invented it', it just grew out of what I knew and what he [Rolls] liked...he later - I didn't even know - he called it the Americana because I was the American wrestler that came down and showed him the move and that's how the Americana armbar got started."
I've been lazy and lifted a sentence or two from other websites when I did web design, but this is whole-cloth plagarization stealing.
Ouch! Dude. That's pretty bad. Have you contacted Dan Rizzuto or Eddie about this?
Yeah, but not much of a response so far. Eddie (presuming I had the right email) did say he would talk to his web guy a couple of weeks ago, but I guess he hasn't had a chance to do so yet (I'm sure he's a busy man). I can't imagine it's very high on his list of priorities. _________________ BJJ Articles, BJJ Beginner FAQ, BJJ Product Reviews
It isn't his fault he gets lots of noobs trying molestation guard before they've got any of the BJJ fundamentals down, though it is definitely a problem for some beginners (still, they seem to generally grow out of it).
True, but it's irritating. They waste huge amounts of mat time flailing around with what are actually high-blue/low-purple techniques. It makes every instructor's job harder.
Instead of investing time mastering scissor sweep, knee-push, hook, pivot, and knees-to-belly, they flail around jacking up everyone's knees trying whip-ups and goofy lockdown foot twists.
It isn't his fault he gets lots of noobs trying molestation guard before they've got any of the BJJ fundamentals down, though it is definitely a problem for some beginners (still, they seem to generally grow out of it).
True, but it's irritating. They waste huge amounts of mat time flailing around with what are actually high-blue/low-purple techniques. It makes every instructor's job harder.
Instead of investing time mastering scissor sweep, knee-push, hook, pivot, and knees-to-belly, they flail around jacking up everyone's knees trying whip-ups and goofy lockdown foot twists.
Ugh I hate it when Bravo fanboys try to submit me with the lockdown calf crush in class, it doesn't work and just pisses me off. But the most classic thing was when we had a seminar with a world champion black belt who taught us all about how to pass half guard, and when someone asked about the lockdown he basically said it's a terrible technique, not a submission, and very easy to pass, and he showed us how. That black belt's name was...
But the most classic thing was when we had a seminar with a world champion black belt who taught us all about how to pass half guard, and when someone asked about the lockdown he basically said it's a terrible technique, not a submission, and very easy to pass, and he showed us how. That black belt's name was...
Leo Viera!
YEAH LEO!!
Leo V is a BJJ GAWD. Anything he says instantly over rules anything Bravo says _________________ New to this site? Please review the rules
" Its CRUCIAL to train with the GI to have the finest technique." - Marcelo Garcia - worlds best NO GI grappler
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" -- Thomas Jefferson
Carlos Gracie ---> Carlos Gracie Jr. ---> Nelson Monteiro ---> Marcelo Pereira ---> My blue belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Carlson Gracie --->Mario Sperry ---> Carlos Aveline ---> Odie Neto ---> My purple belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Helio Gracie ---> Royce Gracie ---> Billy Dowey/Jason Culbreth ---> My brown belt
But the most classic thing was when we had a seminar with a world champion black belt who taught us all about how to pass half guard, and when someone asked about the lockdown he basically said it's a terrible technique, not a submission, and very easy to pass, and he showed us how. That black belt's name was...
Leo Viera!
YEAH LEO!!
Leo V is a BJJ GAWD. Anything he says instantly over rules anything Bravo says
Yep, especially since he SMASHED Eddie by 15 to -4 in ADCC! _________________
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The most effective way I've discovered to dissuade whitebelts from being lockdown fanbois is to show everyone how to break the lockdown.
Let's make a list. What is your favorite way to break lockdown?
Here's mine: (well, Carlos Machado's)
- Forearm his neck to the mat
- Insert your free foot inside his thigh and smash that knee to the mat
- Sit back a bit to disentangle your trapped foot
- Use your free hand to push his other knee down as you yank your leg out
- Transition to mount or side control
There is a submission you can do to people who use lockdown.
Posture way up, stand, bring your leg way up and push down on his knees.
Cant describe in words but it ankle lock thems.
But im with Saulo on this.... locking them down, actually locks YOU down.
Lock down is lame.
The other easy thing to do is to kick your foot up and bring it the side to undo lockdown. _________________ New to this site? Please review the rules
" Its CRUCIAL to train with the GI to have the finest technique." - Marcelo Garcia - worlds best NO GI grappler
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" -- Thomas Jefferson
Carlos Gracie ---> Carlos Gracie Jr. ---> Nelson Monteiro ---> Marcelo Pereira ---> My blue belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Carlson Gracie --->Mario Sperry ---> Carlos Aveline ---> Odie Neto ---> My purple belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Helio Gracie ---> Royce Gracie ---> Billy Dowey/Jason Culbreth ---> My brown belt
Posture way up, stand, bring your leg way up and push down on his knees.
I saw a youtube of Eric Paulson teaching that, but I couldn't get it to work. It requires that you disentangle your foot first. That's the part I have difficulty with.
The sub doesnt require you to disentangle. You want them to keep it on. _________________ New to this site? Please review the rules
" Its CRUCIAL to train with the GI to have the finest technique." - Marcelo Garcia - worlds best NO GI grappler
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" -- Thomas Jefferson
Carlos Gracie ---> Carlos Gracie Jr. ---> Nelson Monteiro ---> Marcelo Pereira ---> My blue belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Carlson Gracie --->Mario Sperry ---> Carlos Aveline ---> Odie Neto ---> My purple belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Helio Gracie ---> Royce Gracie ---> Billy Dowey/Jason Culbreth ---> My brown belt
I was shocked when I saw the glossary comparisons there. I hope they change that up and apologize. It really detracts from the legitimacy of the system when these blemishes start adding up. Maybe i'll post something over there.
I think the reason you guys aren't seeing 10PJJ techniques in a ton of high level people's games is because these people are inventing their own niches to market. X-guard... paragon half guard... all that stuff. When these amazing grapplers decide to master something unique, it's not because that is the end all be all of grappling. It is because by creating something new that possible could have been a disadvantageous position before and making it an attack position, it throws all the other guys off. If they can use this to win some big championship or several championships... it becomes something they can market for big money. Look at what Ryan hall did with the 50/50... he basically took that right from Eddie's master play book, the marketing of it anyway. It's a controversial thing that Brazilians hate on and he is making it sell. Now he's going to this whole "guard is dead" thing and he's re-marketing the conventional wisdom with the new marketing ploys.
The only reason people are hating on Eddie more than Marcelo or Ryan is because they wear a gi... and they market a little more quietly... and they show some championships before they make their talk big. None of you are pissed at the Gracies for their "90% of all fights end on the ground.... bla bla bla" genius marketing that they did.
cutting my rant off now... so much to say about it _________________ : )
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