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| America has become such a pussy country. Example: Hurting someone while defending yourself may land you jail time, bullshit. I've lived in a foreign country where there's no chance to go to jail as long as you are defending yourself, even if the bully is dead. |
100% AGREEEEEEEEEEED |
wrong. generally today it is getting more and more acceptable to defend oneself.
But when a guy attacks you with fists and you stab his ass thats attempted murder. its when you escelate the amount of force being used in the fight is when it starts getting bad for you.
There was case, i forget where, where a man broke into a house via upper story window into the daughter's room. the father heard some noises and went to check it out and found this man standing over his doughters bed with condoms rope and tape among other things. he choked his ass out and hold on until cops showed up and was easily let off.
its a common misconception that america is getting pansied up, however you just need to know the laws and not try to stab someone with a broken beer bottle or something. if you stick to hands and feet and you walk away when its over than there is no problem |
Yeah, but hear me out. In any situation where someone is trying to hurt you, you have no idea what the other guy's intention is. People have been badly injured with fists and feet, I personally think that I should be allowed to eliminate the threat in any way possible... If I was that dad, I wouldn't have choked the guy out, I would have shot him dead.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:45 am Post subject: |
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I roll/wrestle/spar with football players that play for the UCLA football team.
The ones I know are about 6'1 to 6'4 and 230 to 260 pounds of cardio intense, strong-as-b**** machines.
Judo brown belt/black belt/master or not, as a 6 foot 165 pound guy, you are NOT taking them any time soon, and trust me on that.
It would be different if the person was a little more built, maybe 6 feet 190+ pounds, but with close to a 70 to 100 pound weight disadvantage, bad ass strength, power, and size >>> technique + skill'
oh and PS Jack, I've been training BJJ much longer than I have been doing Judo, and got my brown much faster than I got my blue. (judo belt systems are a little too fast.) |
This is bad logic. If you can't beat him on the ground, how on earth will you beat a guy that big striking? He'll destroy you striking. |
Well meh, you'd be surprised. Even though they are crazy strong athletes, that doesn't mean their stand up isn't sloppy and slow.
These guys are running 5 miles/morning everyday and working on conditioning 5 days a week on the off season, and during the football season they work out even harder.
I know BJJ is about skill and technique but when you meet these kind of guys, you're gonna get smashed, no questions asked. If I get guard, (I'm a guard player) I'll get smashed. Even if I can get mount or their back, they are just so strong that it is so difficult to work anything. <-- Now throw punches, elbows, headbutts, and smashing into the game? No thanks, I'm outta there
Okay: Let's just say if a person of my size and ability were to get into a fight with a 250 pound built foot ball player, my chances of winning will be very slim overall.  |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:56 am Post subject: |
#44 |
| ImaJitsAddict wrote: |
| bma_mat wrote: |
| Styrkur wrote: |
| America has become such a pussy country. Example: Hurting someone while defending yourself may land you jail time, bullshit. I've lived in a foreign country where there's no chance to go to jail as long as you are defending yourself, even if the bully is dead. |
100% AGREEEEEEEEEEED |
wrong. generally today it is getting more and more acceptable to defend oneself.
But when a guy attacks you with fists and you stab his ass thats attempted murder. its when you escelate the amount of force being used in the fight is when it starts getting bad for you.
There was case, i forget where, where a man broke into a house via upper story window into the daughter's room. the father heard some noises and went to check it out and found this man standing over his doughters bed with condoms rope and tape among other things. he choked his ass out and hold on until cops showed up and was easily let off.
its a common misconception that america is getting pansied up, however you just need to know the laws and not try to stab someone with a broken beer bottle or something. if you stick to hands and feet and you walk away when its over than there is no problem |
What if the guy's intentions are to kill you and rob you? So he knocks you out, and then proceeds to keep punching until you're dead. And you had a knife in your pocket the whole time, but because of fear of going to jail, failed to defend your own life.
Someone threatens me with their firsts, i'll show them the knife. Someone pulls a knife out on me, i'll show them my gun. Hell, someone is walking at me with intentions to fight me and I have a gun, i'll pull it out and point it right at them. They keep coming, after ive warned them, I won't hesitate to at least put one in their knee.
Someone attacks you for no reason at all on the street, and you stab them out of self defense, FOR YOU to go to jail is STUPID STUPID STUPID.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:57 am Post subject: |
#45 |
| groovyg wrote: |
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LOL
I roll/wrestle/spar with football players that play for the UCLA football team.
The ones I know are about 6'1 to 6'4 and 230 to 260 pounds of cardio intense, strong-as-b**** machines.
Judo brown belt/black belt/master or not, as a 6 foot 165 pound guy, you are NOT taking them any time soon, and trust me on that.
It would be different if the person was a little more built, maybe 6 feet 190+ pounds, but with close to a 70 to 100 pound weight disadvantage, bad ass strength, power, and size >>> technique + skill'
You take the guy's back and RNC on him. Yea, it's really hard if they are very strong, but still your chances on the ground are much better than your chances standing with them.
oh and PS Jack, I've been training BJJ much longer than I have been doing Judo, and got my brown much faster than I got my blue. (judo belt systems are a little too fast.) |
This is bad logic. If you can't beat him on the ground, how on earth will you beat a guy that big striking? He'll destroy you striking. |
Well meh, you'd be surprised. Even though they are crazy strong athletes, that doesn't mean their stand up isn't sloppy and slow.
These guys are running 5 miles/morning everyday and working on conditioning 5 days a week on the off season, and during the football season they work out even harder.
I know BJJ is about skill and technique but when you meet these kind of guys, you're gonna get smashed, no questions asked. If I get guard, (I'm a guard player) I'll get smashed. Even if I can get mount or their back, they are just so strong that it is so difficult to work anything. <-- Now throw punches, elbows, headbutts, and smashing into the game? No thanks, I'm outta there
Okay: Let's just say if a person of my size and ability were to get into a fight with a 250 pound built foot ball player, my chances of winning will be very slim overall. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:03 am Post subject: |
#46 |
| Styrkur wrote: |
| ImaJitsAddict wrote: |
| bma_mat wrote: |
| Styrkur wrote: |
| America has become such a pussy country. Example: Hurting someone while defending yourself may land you jail time, bullshit. I've lived in a foreign country where there's no chance to go to jail as long as you are defending yourself, even if the bully is dead. |
100% AGREEEEEEEEEEED |
wrong. generally today it is getting more and more acceptable to defend oneself.
But when a guy attacks you with fists and you stab his ass thats attempted murder. its when you escelate the amount of force being used in the fight is when it starts getting bad for you.
There was case, i forget where, where a man broke into a house via upper story window into the daughter's room. the father heard some noises and went to check it out and found this man standing over his doughters bed with condoms rope and tape among other things. he choked his ass out and hold on until cops showed up and was easily let off.
its a common misconception that america is getting pansied up, however you just need to know the laws and not try to stab someone with a broken beer bottle or something. if you stick to hands and feet and you walk away when its over than there is no problem |
Yeah, but hear me out. In any situation where someone is trying to hurt you, you have no idea what the other guy's intention is. People have been badly injured with fists and feet, I personally think that I should be allowed to eliminate the threat in any way possible... If I was that dad, I wouldn't have choked the guy out, I would have shot him dead. |
 In that situation I would probably unload on the f*ck beyond what was "necessary" to make him no longer a threat. I would gladly be the poster boy for killing a pedo/rapist in my home. That's potentially someone else's daughter saved in the future. I think if someone is in your home it should be safe to assume they are a threat to your life. If someone is willing to break into your home even for your TV they have thought about the homeowner coming in armed. I'm not going to risk my life assuming the guy isn't willing to kill me/whoever walks in on him/them for my s***.
I look at it in a similar manner on the street. How do you know the other guy is going to show mercy if he gets the upper hand? If one person is dying and one is going to jail I'd rather be the one going to jail. On the other hand it all depends on the situation and how much danger I feel like I'm in. I don't carry a gun(it stays at home) so I'm not saying that I would shoot someone in a street fight. I'm just saying(like a few others have) that in that moment of adrenaline I'm going to do what I feel I need to do in order to make sure that I'm safe. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject: |
#47 |
| Styrkur wrote: |
| ImaJitsAddict wrote: |
| bma_mat wrote: |
| Styrkur wrote: |
| America has become such a pussy country. Example: Hurting someone while defending yourself may land you jail time, bullshit. I've lived in a foreign country where there's no chance to go to jail as long as you are defending yourself, even if the bully is dead. |
100% AGREEEEEEEEEEED |
wrong. generally today it is getting more and more acceptable to defend oneself.
But when a guy attacks you with fists and you stab his ass thats attempted murder. its when you escelate the amount of force being used in the fight is when it starts getting bad for you.
There was case, i forget where, where a man broke into a house via upper story window into the daughter's room. the father heard some noises and went to check it out and found this man standing over his doughters bed with condoms rope and tape among other things. he choked his ass out and hold on until cops showed up and was easily let off.
its a common misconception that america is getting pansied up, however you just need to know the laws and not try to stab someone with a broken beer bottle or something. if you stick to hands and feet and you walk away when its over than there is no problem |
Yeah, but hear me out. In any situation where someone is trying to hurt you, you have no idea what the other guy's intention is. People have been badly injured with fists and feet, I personally think that I should be allowed to eliminate the threat in any way possible... If I was that dad, I wouldn't have choked the guy out, I would have shot him dead. |
lol i reread my post and forgot to mention that the dad choked him out and held on for 6 minutes until police got there and he was cold as ice. yea he choked him to death lol. I make it sound like he was just some jiu jitsu guy who did it right. but yea the attacker died.
Also mat I know a guy like you, and myself included, takes procautions when going somewhere where a fight/altercation might take place. but that doesnt mean im in fear for my life at all those times.
you do have the right kill if in fear for your life but if you pull your gun out and threaten the original attacker than your the attacker now and the other guy is the one who can claim that he was afraid for his life if he kills you.
It doesnt work like, "o i had a guy but he had fists and i was still very very afraid." that doesnt work in the court because you have a gun. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:09 pm Post subject: |
#48 |
| ImaJitsAddict wrote: |
| Styrkur wrote: |
| ImaJitsAddict wrote: |
| bma_mat wrote: |
| Styrkur wrote: |
| America has become such a pussy country. Example: Hurting someone while defending yourself may land you jail time, bullshit. I've lived in a foreign country where there's no chance to go to jail as long as you are defending yourself, even if the bully is dead. |
100% AGREEEEEEEEEEED |
wrong. generally today it is getting more and more acceptable to defend oneself.
But when a guy attacks you with fists and you stab his ass thats attempted murder. its when you escelate the amount of force being used in the fight is when it starts getting bad for you.
There was case, i forget where, where a man broke into a house via upper story window into the daughter's room. the father heard some noises and went to check it out and found this man standing over his doughters bed with condoms rope and tape among other things. he choked his ass out and hold on until cops showed up and was easily let off.
its a common misconception that america is getting pansied up, however you just need to know the laws and not try to stab someone with a broken beer bottle or something. if you stick to hands and feet and you walk away when its over than there is no problem |
Yeah, but hear me out. In any situation where someone is trying to hurt you, you have no idea what the other guy's intention is. People have been badly injured with fists and feet, I personally think that I should be allowed to eliminate the threat in any way possible... If I was that dad, I wouldn't have choked the guy out, I would have shot him dead. |
lol i reread my post and forgot to mention that the dad choked him out and held on for 6 minutes until police got there and he was cold as ice. yea he choked him to death lol. I make it sound like he was just some jiu jitsu guy who did it right. but yea the attacker died.
Also mat I know a guy like you, and myself included, takes procautions when going somewhere where a fight/altercation might take place. but that doesnt mean im in fear for my life at all those times.
you do have the right kill if in fear for your life but if you pull your gun out and threaten the original attacker than your the attacker now and the other guy is the one who can claim that he was afraid for his life if he kills you.
It doesnt work like, "o i had a guy but he had fists and i was still very very afraid." that doesnt work in the court because you have a gun. |
LOL I mentioned that story on page 2!! 
There was another case here in Indiana where a man that had studied MA's for a few years was attacked, he successfully defended himself and killed the other man in the process, no charges filed. I'm pretty sure it was also in Indianapolis area, but don't quote me. This was via hand to hand combat, no weapons were involved from what I remember. Cops showed up and the guy was covered in the blood of the other guy, while the attacker was there lifeless.
Crazy world out there and you better believe that in a true life threatening situation I'd rather be in a courtroom pleading for my life than in a coffin with no life to plead for.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:16 pm Post subject: |
#49 |
| ImaJitsAddict wrote: |
| Styrkur wrote: |
| ImaJitsAddict wrote: |
| bma_mat wrote: |
| Styrkur wrote: |
| America has become such a pussy country. Example: Hurting someone while defending yourself may land you jail time, bullshit. I've lived in a foreign country where there's no chance to go to jail as long as you are defending yourself, even if the bully is dead. |
100% AGREEEEEEEEEEED |
wrong. generally today it is getting more and more acceptable to defend oneself.
But when a guy attacks you with fists and you stab his ass thats attempted murder. its when you escelate the amount of force being used in the fight is when it starts getting bad for you.
There was case, i forget where, where a man broke into a house via upper story window into the daughter's room. the father heard some noises and went to check it out and found this man standing over his doughters bed with condoms rope and tape among other things. he choked his ass out and hold on until cops showed up and was easily let off.
its a common misconception that america is getting pansied up, however you just need to know the laws and not try to stab someone with a broken beer bottle or something. if you stick to hands and feet and you walk away when its over than there is no problem |
Yeah, but hear me out. In any situation where someone is trying to hurt you, you have no idea what the other guy's intention is. People have been badly injured with fists and feet, I personally think that I should be allowed to eliminate the threat in any way possible... If I was that dad, I wouldn't have choked the guy out, I would have shot him dead. |
lol i reread my post and forgot to mention that the dad choked him out and held on for 6 minutes until police got there and he was cold as ice. yea he choked him to death lol. I make it sound like he was just some jiu jitsu guy who did it right. but yea the attacker died.
Also mat I know a guy like you, and myself included, takes procautions when going somewhere where a fight/altercation might take place. but that doesnt mean im in fear for my life at all those times.
you do have the right kill if in fear for your life but if you pull your gun out and threaten the original attacker than your the attacker now and the other guy is the one who can claim that he was afraid for his life if he kills you.
It doesnt work like, "o i had a guy but he had fists and i was still very very afraid." that doesnt work in the court because you have a gun. |
I don't care frankly how the courts see it. Even if the odds of me dying are 0.5% if I don't pull out a gun, I won't take that chance.
Some guy starts walking at me aggresively, and very likely to harm me, and I have a gun on me, and we're in an area like a dark alley, i'd pull out a gun without thinking, and tell him to back off.
Sure, if it's in a bar, I probably would never pull the guy out, and would probably try and reason with the guy. If he knocks you out in a bar, most likely fight is broken up, etc. If it's in a dark alley, noone around, I would not think twice on what could happen to me if he gets a lucky shot and takes me down.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:41 pm Post subject: |
#50 |
| bma_mat wrote: |
| ImaJitsAddict wrote: |
| Styrkur wrote: |
| ImaJitsAddict wrote: |
| bma_mat wrote: |
| Styrkur wrote: |
| America has become such a pussy country. Example: Hurting someone while defending yourself may land you jail time, bullshit. I've lived in a foreign country where there's no chance to go to jail as long as you are defending yourself, even if the bully is dead. |
100% AGREEEEEEEEEEED |
wrong. generally today it is getting more and more acceptable to defend oneself.
But when a guy attacks you with fists and you stab his ass thats attempted murder. its when you escelate the amount of force being used in the fight is when it starts getting bad for you.
There was case, i forget where, where a man broke into a house via upper story window into the daughter's room. the father heard some noises and went to check it out and found this man standing over his doughters bed with condoms rope and tape among other things. he choked his ass out and hold on until cops showed up and was easily let off.
its a common misconception that america is getting pansied up, however you just need to know the laws and not try to stab someone with a broken beer bottle or something. if you stick to hands and feet and you walk away when its over than there is no problem |
Yeah, but hear me out. In any situation where someone is trying to hurt you, you have no idea what the other guy's intention is. People have been badly injured with fists and feet, I personally think that I should be allowed to eliminate the threat in any way possible... If I was that dad, I wouldn't have choked the guy out, I would have shot him dead. |
lol i reread my post and forgot to mention that the dad choked him out and held on for 6 minutes until police got there and he was cold as ice. yea he choked him to death lol. I make it sound like he was just some jiu jitsu guy who did it right. but yea the attacker died.
Also mat I know a guy like you, and myself included, takes procautions when going somewhere where a fight/altercation might take place. but that doesnt mean im in fear for my life at all those times.
you do have the right kill if in fear for your life but if you pull your gun out and threaten the original attacker than your the attacker now and the other guy is the one who can claim that he was afraid for his life if he kills you.
It doesnt work like, "o i had a guy but he had fists and i was still very very afraid." that doesnt work in the court because you have a gun. |
I don't care frankly how the courts see it. Even if the odds of me dying are 0.5% if I don't pull out a gun, I won't take that chance.
Some guy starts walking at me aggresively, and very likely to harm me, and I have a gun on me, and we're in an area like a dark alley, i'd pull out a gun without thinking, and tell him to back off.
Sure, if it's in a bar, I probably would never pull the guy out, and would probably try and reason with the guy. If he knocks you out in a bar, most likely fight is broken up, etc. If it's in a dark alley, noone around, I would not think twice on what could happen to me if he gets a lucky shot and takes me down. |
If you were in a dark alley? thats lame man. If you decide to walk down a "dark alley" in a place you know there is crime than you put yourself in that situation like an idiot. I know your not that dumb to go at it alone in a place as described.
That being said if you wound up there and you simply saw a guy walking at you you would pull a gun? That's a smart way to get shot or attacked yourself, and guess who has the right to defend themselves, the guy who you pulled a gun on.
I dont live in the worst area in Richmond but it isnt the best. No.1 thing to do is put your shitty ipod shuffle phones in with no sound on and do your best to ignore anybody walking by. if you start hearing someone get aggressive just run for it. |
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You such a Gangsta! 
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| ImaJitsAddict wrote: |
| bma_mat wrote: |
| ImaJitsAddict wrote: |
| Styrkur wrote: |
| ImaJitsAddict wrote: |
| bma_mat wrote: |
| Styrkur wrote: |
| America has become such a pussy country. Example: Hurting someone while defending yourself may land you jail time, bullshit. I've lived in a foreign country where there's no chance to go to jail as long as you are defending yourself, even if the bully is dead. |
100% AGREEEEEEEEEEED |
wrong. generally today it is getting more and more acceptable to defend oneself.
But when a guy attacks you with fists and you stab his ass thats attempted murder. its when you escelate the amount of force being used in the fight is when it starts getting bad for you.
There was case, i forget where, where a man broke into a house via upper story window into the daughter's room. the father heard some noises and went to check it out and found this man standing over his doughters bed with condoms rope and tape among other things. he choked his ass out and hold on until cops showed up and was easily let off.
its a common misconception that america is getting pansied up, however you just need to know the laws and not try to stab someone with a broken beer bottle or something. if you stick to hands and feet and you walk away when its over than there is no problem |
Yeah, but hear me out. In any situation where someone is trying to hurt you, you have no idea what the other guy's intention is. People have been badly injured with fists and feet, I personally think that I should be allowed to eliminate the threat in any way possible... If I was that dad, I wouldn't have choked the guy out, I would have shot him dead. |
lol i reread my post and forgot to mention that the dad choked him out and held on for 6 minutes until police got there and he was cold as ice. yea he choked him to death lol. I make it sound like he was just some jiu jitsu guy who did it right. but yea the attacker died.
Also mat I know a guy like you, and myself included, takes procautions when going somewhere where a fight/altercation might take place. but that doesnt mean im in fear for my life at all those times.
you do have the right kill if in fear for your life but if you pull your gun out and threaten the original attacker than your the attacker now and the other guy is the one who can claim that he was afraid for his life if he kills you.
It doesnt work like, "o i had a guy but he had fists and i was still very very afraid." that doesnt work in the court because you have a gun. |
I don't care frankly how the courts see it. Even if the odds of me dying are 0.5% if I don't pull out a gun, I won't take that chance.
Some guy starts walking at me aggresively, and very likely to harm me, and I have a gun on me, and we're in an area like a dark alley, i'd pull out a gun without thinking, and tell him to back off.
Sure, if it's in a bar, I probably would never pull the guy out, and would probably try and reason with the guy. If he knocks you out in a bar, most likely fight is broken up, etc. If it's in a dark alley, noone around, I would not think twice on what could happen to me if he gets a lucky shot and takes me down. |
If you were in a dark alley? thats lame man. If you decide to walk down a "dark alley" in a place you know there is crime than you put yourself in that situation like an idiot. I know your not that dumb to go at it alone in a place as described.
That being said if you wound up there and you simply saw a guy walking at you you would pull a gun? That's a smart way to get shot or attacked yourself, and guess who has the right to defend themselves, the guy who you pulled a gun on.
I dont live in the worst area in Richmond but it isnt the best. No.1 thing to do is put your shitty ipod shuffle phones in with no sound on and do your best to ignore anybody walking by. if you start hearing someone get aggressive just run for it. |
Reread what I said in context. If he's coming at me aggresively looking like he wants to hurt me. I'd warn him first. But if he kept coming at me aggresively, and I had no way of walking away, I would pull out the gun.
Sure I would not find myself in that situation. But if put in it, I put my own safety above all.
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Look, the best way out of this is to always carry a joint with you...with the bombesque weed ever known to man...offer it to him as suppliment to an ass whooping. Then the idiot will take too big a hit, and freak out for the next six hours while my face is green and start talking to Kron Gracie..... 
Who knows what anyone would do. I would like to think I would try for a secure choke before any sort of damaging armbar/kimura. Cuz I can't hurt anyome that bad. But a choke is great....and YES I'd stip his dumbass down naked and let him walk home with his prick out after he wakes up....hell even better to dump a lil' rum on his face so the cops think his dumbass drank too much.
Mommy gonna cut that credit card ooooooooooooooooo!  |
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flankwood
Joined: 03 Mar 2009
Posts: 282
Location: Germany
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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I don't care frankly how the courts see it. Even if the odds of me dying are 0.5% if I don't pull out a gun, I won't take that chance.
Some guy starts walking at me aggresively, and very likely to harm me, and I have a gun on me, and we're in an area like a dark alley, i'd pull out a gun without thinking, and tell him to back off.
Sure, if it's in a bar, I probably would never pull the guy out, and would probably try and reason with the guy. If he knocks you out in a bar, most likely fight is broken up, etc. If it's in a dark alley, noone around, I would not think twice on what could happen to me if he gets a lucky shot and takes me down. |
We don't have any gun problems, nor are we allowed to even think about havingthem here in Germany..all the better to kick ass with BJJ! Although fights are way less common in my area. Hell lil' girls walk alleys all the time at might no prob....maybe they have a knife. In any case I love gun control!! weeeeeeee!  [/quote] |
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marty
Joined: 12 Aug 2009
Posts: 56
Location: california
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| groovyg wrote: |
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LOL
I roll/wrestle/spar with football players that play for the UCLA football team.
The ones I know are about 6'1 to 6'4 and 230 to 260 pounds of cardio intense, strong-as-b**** machines.
Judo brown belt/black belt/master or not, as a 6 foot 165 pound guy, you are NOT taking them any time soon, and trust me on that.
It would be different if the person was a little more built, maybe 6 feet 190+ pounds, but with close to a 70 to 100 pound weight disadvantage, bad ass strength, power, and size >>> technique + skill'
oh and PS Jack, I've been training BJJ much longer than I have been doing Judo, and got my brown much faster than I got my blue. (judo belt systems are a little too fast.) |
This is bad logic. If you can't beat him on the ground, how on earth will you beat a guy that big striking? He'll destroy you striking. |
Well meh, you'd be surprised. Even though they are crazy strong athletes, that doesn't mean their stand up isn't sloppy and slow.
These guys are running 5 miles/morning everyday and working on conditioning 5 days a week on the off season, and during the football season they work out even harder.
I know BJJ is about skill and technique but when you meet these kind of guys, you're gonna get smashed, no questions asked. If I get guard, (I'm a guard player) I'll get smashed. Even if I can get mount or their back, they are just so strong that it is so difficult to work anything. <-- Now throw punches, elbows, headbutts, and smashing into the game? No thanks, I'm outta there
Okay: Let's just say if a person of my size and ability were to get into a fight with a 250 pound built foot ball player, my chances of winning will be very slim overall. |
truly? you would get gooned by guys without any training simply because they are athletic? maybe I have a hard time fathoming this because I am not 165 pounds, but I have trained with alot of crazy scary looking,huge,in shape,roid monster whatever you want to call em guys that didnt train in combat sports and am not really impressed. that is one of the founding principles of the gentle art, that a smaller man can defeat the bigger man. If youre getting squashed up by untrained dudes that are just big and strong I might worry abit as to how you are training. does their intimidating physicality cause problems? of course it does but these issues should not be so overpowering that they can steamroll a judo brown/bjj blue in a combat situation.this is just my opinion so if anyone wants to tell me to shut it thats totally cool lol.  |
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