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 Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Oh is that Bob Sapp losing again? ( in the last video ) You mean he's no longer doing fake freak show fights in Japan?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh is that Bob Sapp losing again? ( in the last video ) You mean he's no longer doing fake freak show fights in Japan? |
Yeah lol they fought on the same card....But anyway try to watch all the videos and tell me what you think of him...Like I said he pretty much goes out and puts on a street fight in every fight and is EXTREMELY entertaining...So watch the all and give me your opinion
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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I'm gonna be honest with you. That is a lot of videos, and would take a lot of time to watch, and I have the attention span of an ADHD riddled three year old after a couple Mountain Dews. That being said...homeboy is entertaining. Good knees, I'm sure he'll make some fans in the cage.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm gonna be honest with you. That is a lot of videos, and would take a lot of time to watch, and I have the attention span of an ADHD riddled three year old after a couple Mountain Dews. That being said...homeboy is entertaining. Good knees, I'm sure he'll make some fans in the cage. |
Did you just watch the Sapp last video( it's only a short highlight of his fight)????
Yea I don't mean you have to watch them all in one day or anything (or even watch them at all if you don't like striking) but before you give me your opinion on him (if you are going to tell me what you think) try to watch all of the videos or atleast most so you can see his skillset.....I have ADD aswell to but his style is sweet....pretty much goes out and streetfights in every fight...Very entertaining.
Like I said if your busy take your time no rush...I'm busy at the moment to ( damn Calculus final lol)
Then ending of the 2nd Chahid fight was absolutely brutal!!......He knocked 4 of his teeth out and thats why he quit!!!!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously dude, ur better off putting up 1 or two of ur favorite fight videos of him... Noone on here but a true fan of the guy, will watch over an hour's worth of fights in one sitting.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Seriously dude, ur better off putting up 1 or two of ur favorite fight videos of him... Noone on here but a true fan of the guy, will watch over an hour's worth of fights in one sitting. |
Yeah good point.......Didn't really think about that (especially since it's not a striking forum)
I suggest you just watch the first 3 videos for today (the fight against Maxim Vyrovski and the 1st & 2nd fight with Chahid) or something if you can find the time.........and then if you like what you see watch the rest of the videos another time. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Watch all of em 
He has good hands yeah, and Wiki says he holds a black belt in Judo. But a Judo black belt does not necessarily equate to good ground game. Time will tell I suppose heh? |
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mmafan555
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| baitandtrapbjj wrote: |
Watch all of em
He has good hands yeah, and Wiki says he holds a black belt in Judo. But a Judo black belt does not necessarily equate to good ground game. Time will tell I suppose heh? |
Alright fine but atleast watch the first 3!!! Please  |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Also I just edited out 2 fights of his fights from the posts....To make it less crazy of the amount of fights that are in this thread 
So 2 of the fights are gone. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I've been training for the last 7 hours, so I'm bout to hit the sack. Lol, I watched the first one and parts of the second and last one. Couldn't resist when I heard Bob Sapp. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| baitandtrapbjj wrote: |
| I've been training for the last 7 hours, so I'm bout to hit the sack. Lol, I watched the first one and parts of the second and last one. Couldn't resist when I heard Bob Sapp. |
Oh come on you got to finish the 2nd one( 1st Chahid fight) it's a sweet fight!!!!! And the ending of the 3rd fight is brutal ( 2nd Chahid fight)
And yea the Sapp fight was hilarious...I would say a dive but he's been doing that for like his last 10 fights...Just taps as soon as he gets hit with 1 punch...Talk about an undeserved pay check!!!
I will go out on a limb and say he rapes anyone who dares stand up with him in mma ( he fights at 154lbs (70kg) Of course he would have to tone down on the aggression a bit because he would get taken down if he just charges out and throws bombs |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm gonna be honest with you. That is a lot of videos, and would take a lot of time to watch, and I have the attention span of an ADHD riddled three year old after a couple Mountain Dews. That being said...homeboy is entertaining. Good knees, I'm sure he'll make some fans in the cage. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Like I said I bet he wrecks anyone in his division who stands up with him if he does go into mma.... 
He would crush Edgar imo if the fight stayed standing. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| He's got not spring in his legs, he'd get nailed in MMA at a half decent level, when he meets someone as strong as him who won't just back up, IMO, his defence is to stand still and cover up, you can't do that in MMA. His Judo will help to some extent with take down defence, but I know nothing of his wrestling or BJJ ability? But he's young enough to learn I guess. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| He's got not spring in his legs, he'd get nailed in MMA at a half decent level, when he meets someone as strong as him who won't just back up, IMO, his defence is to stand still and cover up, you can't do that in MMA. His Judo will help to some extent with take down defence, but I know nothing of his wrestling or BJJ ability? But he's young enough to learn I guess. |
What do you mean no spring in his legs?? Are you talking about for grappling or for striking.....I don't know how you could say that about striking....he is VERY explosive in striking
And what do you mean get nailed?? Out-struck or just taken down and then subbed/ground and pointed???..The striking in mma is for the most part horrible....they don't even go to the body with punches or anything...MMA striking is incredibly basic....besides like 2 or 3 guys who actullay have advanced standup
And moving away from him is pretty much the best way to fight him since he's like 5ft 6 but has a huge upperbody....Try to move back and use your reach and out box him like any smart taller fighter should.....Why would anyone who is more slenderly built than him do better by not backing up???That makes no sense... .If Edgar or Nate Diaz tried to brawl with him they would get raped within 1 round....He would laugh at Nate's slap girl punches.
And plus the majority of the guys in the video didn't really run away from him at all....They tried to brawl....So I don't get where your statement is coming from.
I agree that his defense isn't so great but he has a HELL of a chin. ...And plus their are plenty of guys in boxing who just cover up to ( Brandon RIos etc) it's kind of the brawler style....Obviously it is harder to do this with the 4 oz gloves but still.
The best Kickboxers are MUCH better strikers than MMA fighters....Anderson is the only guy who could have success in kickboxing...and thats mainly because he is a tall lanky creative southpaw....Other than him and Machida and maybe JDS I don't think their are any elite strikers in mma. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| What do you mean no spring in his legs?? Are you talking about for grappling or for striking.....I don't know how you could say that about striking....he is VERY explosive in striking |
The spring in his legs, i.e. his movement, he just wades forward, he's static and upright, that's not good for takedown defence, so yea I think he would be taken down easily and there is nothing to suggest he has any kind of ground game?
I'm afraid he's really nowhere near as good as you think he is, he doesn't have great knockout power. To mention him in the same breathe as some of the fighters you have is frankly ridiculous.
Now Stephen Thompson is a truly awesome striker, unbeaten kickboxer and blue belt in BJJ, but he got taken down and completely dominated on the ground by Matt Brown last weekend.
There are plenty of MMA fighters with kickboxing backgrounds, but they have to become proficient in all other areas before they can compete. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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The spring in his legs, i.e. his movement, he just wades forward, he's static and upright, that's not good for takedown defence, so yea I think he would be taken down easily and there is nothing to suggest he has any kind of ground game?
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What the hell are you talking about lol...Did you even watch the fights??? He showed plenty of "spring" in the 1st and 2nd video....The only one where he really did what you are describing was in the 3rd video and that was because it was the opening fight of a tournament ( multiple fights in one night) and Chahid is a similar type of fighter....He didn't have to exert much energy chasing after him because Chahid is also a pressure fighter.....
Well he obviously would bend his knees more and get a lower center of gravity if he switched to mma...But since these are kickboxing matches their is no point in doing so ( isn't this obvious) and no point in discussing this...Obviously he would have to change some aspects of his game up if he were to compete in MMA.
I'm not talking about ground game...I'm talking about striking...No doubt Edgar or Diaz would easily take him down and win in that fashion as could plenty of other 155lbers...But both have very basic striking and would get destroyed by him if they chose to stand up with him....
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I'm afraid he's really nowhere near as good as you think he is, he doesn't have great knockout power. To mention him in the same breathe as some of the fighters you have is frankly ridiculous.
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No I think you just have zero experience in the striking game...So you see Anderson Silva on tv and think "omg he has the best Muay Thai because Joe Rogan tells me der de der"
Stick to grappling until you actullay understand real striking....Not the basic low level crap in mma...Diaz, Maynard, Edgar, Henderson, Barboza have basic striking compared to him or any other elite level kickboxer.
Yea in the striking game he makes them look like amateurs....Their is not a single mma fighter barring maybe Anderson who has elite level striking...And even Anderson isn't as good as many think he is...He's just lucky to be a tall southpaw with a good reach.
True he doesn't have that many ko's...but he definitely has punching power....It's hard to ko alot of people when you are fighting 3 round 3 minute fights against other great strikers...Still he easily has much more punching power than Diaz or Edgar or Maynard.
To be honest.....I think you just clearly have no experience in the standup game...I mean the advice you gave his opponents was to come forward when virtually all of them tried that and got smashed......The way to beat him is to keep him at distance and use the front kick to keep him at bay while coming over the top with straight punches (stuffing him up the middle) preventing Robin from fighting on the inside which is his preferred distance...Saying that they should have came forward more is bad advice for virtually any of his opponents..
Murat Direkci was fighting him the right way ( the 4th video) and almost won but got careless in the last round...Thats how you should fight him...Use the front kick and keep him on the outside.
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Now Stephen Thompson is a truly awesome striker, unbeaten kickboxer and blue belt in BJJ, but he got taken down and completely dominated on the ground by Matt Brown last weekend.
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Lol Thompson?? Is this a joke....Thats like saying Anderons Silva is the best Muay Thai fighter in the world...Thompson fought a bunch of un-ranked bums in watered down contact Karate rules...I don't mean to be a prick but you clearly don't know striking it is quite obvious.....Stop listening to Dana White and Rogan and actullay train standup once in awhile and maybe you will be able to understand the sport better.
Thompson didn't accomplish even 1/10th of what Roosmalen accomplished in kickboxing...Thompson never fought ANY big name kickboxer ever....Roosmalen has ko'ed Kyshenko and smashed tons of elite level guys who has Thompson ever beat?
Thompson wasn't even a B level kickboxer...
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There are plenty of MMA fighters with kickboxing backgrounds, but they have to become proficient in all other areas before they can compete. |
Their is not one elite level kickboxer in MMA......Not one who has ever accomplished anything internationally in any meaningful organization( besides Overeem)....In any meaningful way......Fighting a bunch of cans in Vegas does not make you an elite striker despite what Dana says.
Hell even Pat Barry barely did anything in the sport...and look at 37 year old washed up Mark Hunt destroying so called "elite" strikers like Kongo..
And Kongo also had a kickboxing career where he didn't accomplish much'...And got beaten by Feitosa.
MMA striking is laughable....It is basic what you would expect from a bunch of grapplers...No body work...terrible kicks...telegraphed punches with the chin up
Guys like Diaz and Edgar and Maynard have crap standup compared to elite level kickboxers...Anderson is the only one who can compare and like I said it's more of his intangibles like being a lefty than his actual striking skill (through he is pretty advanced)
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:10 am Post subject: |
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And Thompson wasn't even a kickboxer.......He fought mostly in watered down full contact Karate rules....not kickboxing fights.....Their are tons of 170lb Professional kickboxers in Europe who would embarrass him....Hell their are tons of 155lb kickboxers who would embarrass him ( including Robin) even with a big weight disadvantage
If you going to use an example of a decent striker in mma.....Use Barry, Hunt, Anderson...hell even Kongo, JDS or Barboza.....But, Thompson the contact karate guy who fought bums in watered down full contact rules? Lol no |
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