This old commercial cracks me up. Especially the beach scene
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Carlos Gracie ---> Carlos Gracie Jr. ---> Nelson Monteiro ---> Marcelo Pereira ---> My blue belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Carlson Gracie --->Mario Sperry ---> Carlos Aveline ---> Odie Neto ---> My purple belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Helio Gracie ---> Royce Gracie ---> Billy Dowey/Jason Culbreth ---> My brown belt
When the claims of Helio being small are made I always point to the fact that Carlos started training in 1917 at the age of 14. Helio was born in 1913, making him 4 at that time. Even in 1925, when the school opened, he was only 12 years old. So I take the whole, "he was small and frail" thing with a grain of salt. I think it's more believable to say, "he was very young."
The day when Helio filled in for Carlos was in 1929. That means Helio had been watching his brother teach jiu-jitsu and train jiu-jitsu for 12 years when he filled in. He was only 16 years old at the time however. But, by this time, was likely much more developed than in the past.
As for the beach scene...I always think it's funny. I take the video to say, "Learn Jiu-Jitsu and get laid!"
A close second place is the "guard pass" Carlos does! He literally jumps onto the guy. Too funny. _________________ "When you come to a fork in the road, take it."
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As for the beach scene...I always think it's funny. I take the video to say, "Learn Jiu-Jitsu and get laid!".
It's also horribly sexist. The message is that women only care if you're tough, and moreover, they are so fickle that they'll immediately drop their current boyfriend if somebody tougher comes along. Apparently women don't get to exhibit things like personality, choice and commitment.
Of course, that kind of attitude wasn't unique to Brazil: the old Charles Atlas ads had the same message, except that he promised to buff you up rather than teach you how to break the bigger guys arm. Presumably the Gracies got the idea from Atlas, as I think he would have been contemporary to that ad (though I could be wrong and Atlas was later). _________________ BJJ Beginner FAQ, BJJ Product Reviews, GrappleThon.org (BJJ for Charity)
As for the beach scene...I always think it's funny. I take the video to say, "Learn Jiu-Jitsu and get laid!".
It's also horribly sexist.
I said it was funny, not morally correct. I also attribute this to a different world, a very different time. This was filmed in the 1950s afterall. _________________ "When you come to a fork in the road, take it."
Helio-Rickson-Pedro Sauer-Tony Rinaldi-me
Helio is still a stud and a legend, despite many exaggerations. It seems some want to take alot away from him now, even tho they sent their very own sons to learn under who??? Helio. _________________ You will never control another person if you cant control yourself first - Jorge Britto
I havent seen anyone try to take anything away from Helio, other than the obvious mythology, which is reasonable. _________________ New to this site? Please review the rules
" Its CRUCIAL to train with the GI to have the finest technique." - Marcelo Garcia - worlds best NO GI grappler
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" -- Thomas Jefferson
Carlos Gracie ---> Carlos Gracie Jr. ---> Nelson Monteiro ---> Marcelo Pereira ---> My blue belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Carlson Gracie --->Mario Sperry ---> Carlos Aveline ---> Odie Neto ---> My purple belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Helio Gracie ---> Royce Gracie ---> Billy Dowey/Jason Culbreth ---> My brown belt
Helio is still a stud and a legend, despite many exaggerations. It seems some want to take alot away from him now, even tho they sent their very own sons to learn under who??? Helio.
He was clearly a superb teacher: the achievements of his students speak for themselves (Royler, Rolls, Rickson etc). I respect and admire his abilities in jiu jitsu. I most certainly do not respect and admire his morals (particularly regarding women, but he also had some very nasty opinions on homosexuals), and it therefore irks me when people try to hold him up as some kind of paragon of virtue who should be emulated.
I've got no problems with anybody who thinks he was incredible at jiu jitsu: that's nothing to do with morals. I think of plenty of people who I great admire and respect in their chosen field, but don't think much of in terms of their character. For example, Miles Davis was an amazing musician and I love his work, but he was also apparently a rather unpleasant person. Same goes for Robert Lowell. Then there's James Brown, who is responsible for loads of awesome music, but was also arrested numerous times for domestic violence offences.
These people should be rightly admired for their achievements. At the same time, I don't think they should be given a pass on all their flaws because of it, particularly very serious flaws (like wife beating, rape, etc). _________________ BJJ Beginner FAQ, BJJ Product Reviews, GrappleThon.org (BJJ for Charity)
well. i didnt know him personally and only have heard stories i cant verify so i try not to judge him on a moral level.
as far as bjj, i consider him the greatest teacher and one of the greatest influences (if not THE) of all time.
My instructor likes to tell a story of his instructor Saulo Ribiero rolling with a very old Helio and altho able to positionally dominate, unable to submit Helio. At this time Saulo was the reigning World Champion. Helios defense was still that good, amazing.
BJJ isnt about winning, Helio knew this, its about fighting smart and surviving to fight another day. Helio embodies this spirit like nobody else in BJJ i can think of. I love him for it. His losses are more a testament to his career than his wins IMO _________________ You will never control another person if you cant control yourself first - Jorge Britto
It's also horribly sexist. The message is that women only care if you're tough, and moreover, they are so fickle that they'll immediately drop their current boyfriend if somebody tougher comes along. Apparently women don't get to exhibit things like personality, choice and commitment.
Unfortunately though, still to this day, an awful lot of women fall into that category. The biggest douche-bags are almost universally the guys who are the most prolific when it comes to women.
It's also horribly sexist. The message is that women only care if you're tough, and moreover, they are so fickle that they'll immediately drop their current boyfriend if somebody tougher comes along. Apparently women don't get to exhibit things like personality, choice and commitment.
Unfortunately though, still to this day, an awful lot of women fall into that category. The biggest douche-bags are almost universally the guys who are the most prolific when it comes to women.
Not many women I've met have given a damn about who their boyfriends could beat up. Different cultures and subcultures will select for different attributes, and people of both sexes can be very poor at making rational decisions about partners.
It's also horribly sexist. The message is that women only care if you're tough, and moreover, they are so fickle that they'll immediately drop their current boyfriend if somebody tougher comes along. Apparently women don't get to exhibit things like personality, choice and commitment.
Unfortunately though, still to this day, an awful lot of women fall into that category. The biggest douche-bags are almost universally the guys who are the most prolific when it comes to women.
One of the guys at the gym asked me about this the other day...why jerks get all the girls. Maybe my in-group of women is just that affected by my personal leanings, but is that really true? Are jerks really getting women en masse?
It's also horribly sexist. The message is that women only care if you're tough, and moreover, they are so fickle that they'll immediately drop their current boyfriend if somebody tougher comes along. Apparently women don't get to exhibit things like personality, choice and commitment.
Unfortunately though, still to this day, an awful lot of women fall into that category. The biggest douche-bags are almost universally the guys who are the most prolific when it comes to women.
One of the guys at the gym asked me about this the other day...why jerks get all the girls. Maybe my in-group of women is just that affected by my personal leanings, but is that really true? Are jerks really getting women en masse?
Well I think that's the message TV/film is sending.
The high school film about the cool woman going out with the arsehole quarterback, or whatever, is a mainstay of popular culture.
My own experience: I don't know if i've ever been with a woman who hasn't suffered some form of domestic abuse from a previous partner.
Pretty depressing, and damning, indictment of Christian society; a disgrace.
One of the guys at the gym asked me about this the other day...why jerks get all the girls. Maybe my in-group of women is just that affected by my personal leanings, but is that really true? Are jerks really getting women en masse?
Pretty much true, except the labels are all wrong.
Guys with extreme confidence, who are 100% at ease talking to women, have a strong spine and are not doormats, get the girls. They arent afraid to tease the girls either. A lot of these guys just happen to be jerks too, so they get reported as jerks.
Then the other side of the fence, the "nice guys" complain, about all the jerks getting all the girls. Except, they are mislabeled too. The guys being labeled as "nice guys"... yeah.. they are nice... they are also scared, timid, spineless, have no confidence, and bend over backwards for women. Basically doormats. Then they wonder why women run in the other direction or immediately put them in the friend zone. They are psychologically unattractive in so many ways. They constantly complain about the confident guy (jerk), and cant figure out whats going on
When you see a total douchebag getting girls, it has nothing to do with him being a douchebag, its the OTHER qualities that the nice guys miss that are getting them the girls. They are confident, forward, know what they want, and ASK FOR IT, with no apologies. _________________ New to this site? Please review the rules
" Its CRUCIAL to train with the GI to have the finest technique." - Marcelo Garcia - worlds best NO GI grappler
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" -- Thomas Jefferson
Carlos Gracie ---> Carlos Gracie Jr. ---> Nelson Monteiro ---> Marcelo Pereira ---> My blue belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Carlson Gracie --->Mario Sperry ---> Carlos Aveline ---> Odie Neto ---> My purple belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Helio Gracie ---> Royce Gracie ---> Billy Dowey/Jason Culbreth ---> My brown belt
Isn't spreading your genes the name of the game? If a female chooses a male based on prefrontal lobed (modern) concepts, can she experience the same visceral passion and fulfillment as when she's with someone who excites her biological triggers on an instinctual level?
I'm kidding. That isn't even a fair question, which brings me to my point. I think there's a full spectrum of guys, and every single one plays a different role for every potential mate that they are acquainted with. Why is it always as simple as "why do girls like jerks?" which is usually asked by an unsuccessful, perhaps unassertive male (is that a fair statement?). _________________
Why is it always as simple as "why do girls like jerks?" which is usually asked by an unsuccessful, perhaps unassertive male (is that a fair statement?).
I wouldn't say the complaint is most frequently made by 'unsuccessful' men; unassertive - lacking in confidence with women - probably, yeah.
I think a lot of such men have such respect for women that they feel it would be impolite to act on their attraction to them, and ask them out.
Regards the men women choose: i'm sure a lot could be - and has been - said about the mental conditioning people undergo, and gender norms, etc.
Society isn't really doing too well - it's beset by problems: I don't see why this area should be immune from them.
It's also horribly sexist. The message is that women only care if you're tough, and moreover, they are so fickle that they'll immediately drop their current boyfriend if somebody tougher comes along. Apparently women don't get to exhibit things like personality, choice and commitment.
Unfortunately though, still to this day, an awful lot of women fall into that category. The biggest douche-bags are almost universally the guys who are the most prolific when it comes to women.
One of the guys at the gym asked me about this the other day...why jerks get all the girls. Maybe my in-group of women is just that affected by my personal leanings, but is that really true? Are jerks really getting women en masse?
Well I think that's the message TV/film is sending.
The high school film about the cool woman going out with the arsehole quarterback, or whatever, is a mainstay of popular culture.
My own experience: I don't know if i've ever been with a woman who hasn't suffered some form of domestic abuse from a previous partner.
Pretty depressing, and damning, indictment of Christian society; a disgrace.
Not sure what it has to do with any religion, since I'm pretty sure that happens in every society, religious or not. Thankfully, tropes like that aren't as common with the rise of "Nerd Culture", so I wonder how much today is just lazy writing.
Of course, I knew a woman or two that has the jackass BF, but they're definitely in the minority.
One of the guys at the gym asked me about this the other day...why jerks get all the girls. Maybe my in-group of women is just that affected by my personal leanings, but is that really true? Are jerks really getting women en masse?
Pretty much true, except the labels are all wrong.
Guys with extreme confidence, who are 100% at ease talking to women, have a strong spine and are not doormats, get the girls. They arent afraid to tease the girls either. A lot of these guys just happen to be jerks too, so they get reported as jerks.
Then the other side of the fence, the "nice guys" complain, about all the jerks getting all the girls. Except, they are mislabeled too. The guys being labeled as "nice guys"... yeah.. they are nice... they are also scared, timid, spineless, have no confidence, and bend over backwards for women. Basically doormats. Then they wonder why women run in the other direction or immediately put them in the friend zone. They are psychologically unattractive in so many ways. They constantly complain about the confident guy (jerk), and cant figure out whats going on
When you see a total douchebag getting girls, it has nothing to do with him being a douchebag, its the OTHER qualities that the nice guys miss that are getting them the girls. They are confident, forward, know what they want, and ASK FOR IT, with no apologies.
Why is it always as simple as "why do girls like jerks?" which is usually asked by an unsuccessful, perhaps unassertive male (is that a fair statement?).
I wouldn't say the complaint is most frequently made by 'unsuccessful' men; unassertive - lacking in confidence with women - probably, yeah.
I think a lot of such men have such respect for women that they feel it would be impolite to act on their attraction to them, and ask them out.
Regards the men women choose: i'm sure a lot could be - and has been - said about the mental conditioning people undergo, and gender norms, etc.
Society isn't really doing too well - it's beset by problems: I don't see why this area should be immune from them.
I would question their definition of respect then. Asking someone out isn't inherently disrespectful and if a person thinks so, that's likely a signal of other issues.
Honestly, I don't think society's doing that much worse than it has in the past (though "society" is a pretty broad term). Just a different set of issues to work out these days. The sheer fact that you don't see scenes like the one in the video of some burly guy assaulting someone and then chicklet in question mindlessly walking off with obviously abusive dude is a mark of progress in one area.
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