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Edramirez

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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:00 am Post subject: Whats the first thing you do when a persons in your C.G |
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| So im pretty new to bjj (taken 4 classes so far) nd i can take people down and get the mount really easily because i wrestled, but when someone gets in my closed guard i really dont know what to do, i try to get control of their arms but lying on my back its tough to do especially yesterday when i was rolling with guys who had 50+ pounds on me. So when you have your closed guard what do you try to do first? |
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mickeyford 3 thumbs up


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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:02 am Post subject: |
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I control the head immediately with one arm so they don't sit up. With the other, I control the closest arm. This is called Stage 1 of the Guard.  |
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smokelaw1 3 thumbs up


Joined: 16 Nov 2010 Posts: 286 Location: Hartford Area, CT
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:09 am Post subject: |
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That's easy. I get passed.
Then again, I am very bad at Jiu Jitsu. Love it to death, but very very bad. _________________ Mitsuyo "Count Koma" Maeda - Carlos Gracie, Sr. -Carlson Gracie - Gabriel "Gladiator" Santos - Me |
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parabellum 3 thumbs up


Joined: 13 Dec 2011 Posts: 3486 Location: Central, IL
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Whats the first thing you do when a persons in your C.G |
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| Edramirez wrote: |
| So im pretty new to bjj (taken 4 classes so far) nd i can take people down and get the mount really easily because i wrestled, but when someone gets in my closed guard i really dont know what to do, i try to get control of their arms but lying on my back its tough to do especially yesterday when i was rolling with guys who had 50+ pounds on me. So when you have your closed guard what do you try to do first? |
Stage 1 always: Break their posture and take head and arm control, then work for a sub or sweep.
If they try anything with the free arm, you go to stage two, which opens the door for a triangle. |
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JiuJitzo0o 3 thumbs up


Joined: 06 Oct 2011 Posts: 93 Location: Boston, Massachusettes
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:20 am Post subject: |
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i always go for a deeeeeeeep color grip to break down the posture and then try to control an arm. Its all a matter of preference as to how you go about doing it but there are only 4 important things you want to do in closed guard:
-break down posture and frustrate your opponent
- get dominant grips
-Prevent the pass
-work for sweep or sub |
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JiuJitsu360 3 thumbs up


Joined: 07 Jul 2011 Posts: 171 Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Break em down and keep em down. _________________ For BJJ and other aspects of life concerning BJJ follow my blog:
http://jiujitsu-360.blogspot.com/ |
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parabellum 3 thumbs up


Joined: 13 Dec 2011 Posts: 3486 Location: Central, IL
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Whats the first thing you do when a persons in your C.G |
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| Edramirez wrote: |
| So im pretty new to bjj (taken 4 classes so far) nd i can take people down and get the mount really easily because i wrestled, but when someone gets in my closed guard i really dont know what to do, i try to get control of their arms but lying on my back its tough to do especially yesterday when i was rolling with guys who had 50+ pounds on me. So when you have your closed guard what do you try to do first? |
Oh, another thing that I learned from dealing with bigger guys (I'm about 5'10.5", 210 so I'm not small by any means) is that it SUCKS to be underneath them.
The friction alone makes it hard to shrimp, hard to work an elbow escape to half guard (if they are mounted), hard to make and keep space, etc...
What I did find is that against some of these bigger guys, once you break them down, they end up with a lot of weight on their arms, especially once they get tired.
From there you have options:
Trap and roll reversal if you can lock down an arm and the same side leg
Arm drag -> head and arm choke
Arm drag -> take the back
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bma_mat 3 thumbs up


Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 10667 Location: Somewhere
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:52 am Post subject: |
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Depends what I feel at the moment.
If he's really intent on getting his posture up, I'll probably put one arm around the back of his head to keep his posture down, and consider using that for a bump sweep to triangle or kimura.
If he's not really fighting hard to get his posture, i'll try get a deep collar grip, and control one arm, and try for crosschokes and armbars. _________________ ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
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jackjitsu 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 16123 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Open my guard  _________________ New to this site? Please review the rules
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"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" -- Thomas Jefferson
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TonyHubris 3 thumbs up


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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Open my guard  |
Haha. I'm kidding.
I noticed you're not reppin your purple belt in your sig anymore, you trying to hide something? _________________
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bma_mat 3 thumbs up


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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| TonyHubris wrote: |
| jackjitsu wrote: |
Open my guard  |
Haha. I'm kidding.
I noticed you're not reppin your purple belt in your sig anymore, you trying to hide something? |
IF JACK just got his brown belt, HE IS GOING TO KILL YOU FOR RUINING THE SURPRISE.
Awaits any suspicious thread names..... _________________ ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
| kuangren wrote: |
| ...every time a blue belt quits BJJ, Rickson Gracie kills a kitten!! You don't want any more kittens to die, DO YOU!?... |
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jackjitsu 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 16123 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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Nope, no upgrade. Just ran out of room with the other stuff I added. I didnt even notice. _________________ New to this site? Please review the rules
" Its CRUCIAL to train with the GI to have the finest technique." - Marcelo Garcia - worlds best NO GI grappler
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" -- Thomas Jefferson
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Carlos Gracie ---> Carlson Gracie --->Mario Sperry ---> Carlos Aveline ---> Odie Neto ---> My purple belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Helio Gracie ---> Royce Gracie ---> Billy Dowey/Jason Culbreth ---> My brown belt  |
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coxy88 3 thumbs up

Joined: 05 Jul 2011 Posts: 65 Location: Stillwater, OK
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| smokelaw1 wrote: |
That's easy. I get passed.
Then again, I am very bad at Jiu Jitsu. Love it to death, but very very bad. |
I feel your pain brother! _________________ Check out my blog about being a total BJJ noob!
www.thebjjnewbie.com |
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sOz 3 thumbs up

Joined: 28 Oct 2011 Posts: 623 Location: canada
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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deep collar grip ASAP, all day. _________________ You will never control another person if you cant control yourself first - Jorge Britto |
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gmolch 3 thumbs up


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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Whats the first thing you do when a persons in your C.G |
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| parabellum wrote: |
| Edramirez wrote: |
| So im pretty new to bjj (taken 4 classes so far) nd i can take people down and get the mount really easily because i wrestled, but when someone gets in my closed guard i really dont know what to do, i try to get control of their arms but lying on my back its tough to do especially yesterday when i was rolling with guys who had 50+ pounds on me. So when you have your closed guard what do you try to do first? |
Stage 1 always: Break their posture and take head and arm control, then work for a sub or sweep.
If they try anything with the free arm, you go to stage two, which opens the door for a triangle. |
Breaking posture is key...learn how to get that done well and you will be keeping them busy worried about maintaining posture more than expecting to look for an attack _________________ www.rwmma.com
http://www.my84daychallenge.myevolv.com/ |
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GCicuto 3 thumbs up

Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Posts: 149 Location: mokena, IL
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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prevent them from posturing up then this is just my bread and butter but go for lapel chokes or a nice strong arm drag to keep them down and attempt to take the back.
once you realize that as long as you have their posture controlled and that you have a ton of options to go on the attack you'll feel much more comfortable being there. Always remember when rolling with a larger opponent never stop moving. Typically the larger opponent will gas before the smaller. _________________
Rodrigo “Comprido” - Jonatas Novaes - Leo Valdes - Me (1 stripe Blue Belt) |
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georgetteoden 3 thumbs up


Joined: 30 Jul 2010 Posts: 309 Location: Austin Texas
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Don't forget your legs' role in the whole collapse-their-posture thing... you can totally mess with them by bringing them forwards, back, to the sides using your legs... _________________ Blue belt, training at Gracie Humaita Austin.
Helio Gracie > Royler Gracie > Donald Park/Paulo Coelho Brandao > me.
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banaka
Joined: 29 Jun 2011 Posts: 12 Location: Hacienda Height, CA
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: Whats the first thing you do when a persons in your C.G |
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| Edramirez wrote: |
| So im pretty new to bjj (taken 4 classes so far) nd i can take people down and get the mount really easily because i wrestled, but when someone gets in my closed guard i really dont know what to do, i try to get control of their arms but lying on my back its tough to do especially yesterday when i was rolling with guys who had 50+ pounds on me. So when you have your closed guard what do you try to do first? |
In close guard have one hand deep in his collar and keep bugging his neck with chokes, if he str8 his arm out go for the armlock. It is very important to use your legs to rock him back and forth as you are going for the choke or break his posture. |
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jackjitsu 3 thumbs up


Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 16123 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Overhook, feed collar = deadly stuff awaits _________________ New to this site? Please review the rules
" Its CRUCIAL to train with the GI to have the finest technique." - Marcelo Garcia - worlds best NO GI grappler
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" -- Thomas Jefferson
Carlos Gracie ---> Carlos Gracie Jr. ---> Nelson Monteiro ---> Marcelo Pereira ---> My blue belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Carlson Gracie --->Mario Sperry ---> Carlos Aveline ---> Odie Neto ---> My purple belt
Carlos Gracie ---> Helio Gracie ---> Royce Gracie ---> Billy Dowey/Jason Culbreth ---> My brown belt  |
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creslinz69 3 thumbs up


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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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With gi, feed that first hand deep on the collar, that sets up literally everything and you can control just about everything with it. If they don't respect your hand and attempt to break it, feed the other hand and choke em. If they start working on breaking your hand free, sweep em. Either way, it gives them something to worry about, and while they're dealing with that, set up all your other submissions. Walk your guard up to high closed guard and attack arms, attack the triangle, keep waiting for them to make a mistake and capitalize on it. The trick to a good closed guard is to be really active, if they're constantly defending submission attempts, they're not thinking about passing. As soon as you let them sit back for a minute and get comfortable, they're going to pass, don't let them get comfortable.
With no gi, control their head and break their posture, then fight for the overhook on one of their arms. Once you have that overhook, you can set up a million different attacks depending how the choose to defend it, but ultimately you can do any of those without breaking their posture. _________________ "To teach those who don't know, To remind those who do know, To correct those who think they know."
- Helio Gracie |
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