[Zending]

You know, to be honest, if you laid into any practitioner of a martial art and destroyed him with BJJ, he would be more heartbroken and angry rather than interested in learning BJJ.

We put our heart and souls into BJJ, and they do the same for their martial art. Most of them are just too prideful to admit when their martial art is inneffective. It's a sad truth. I don't bother trying to argue with people or prove anyone wrong about their practice. I just do my thing, and if the time ever comes where I have the chance to prove it in a peaceful way, I will.

[bma_mat]

I have gotten friends who swore in punching to practice BJJ with me.

I just tell them to go all out on me with gloves on, and take them apart. Works every time.

[Locke07]

Honestly I agree BJJ is a great martial art. It's effective, but so is boxing? Many a time have we seen strikers laying out bjj guys. I don't know why people on this forum seem so hellbent on how much better BJJ is than any other martial art. Yes it works, but at the sime time there are people who practice martial arts for other reasons than beating each other up. Many of those katas you put on videos and laugh at are instructional expos, which I have seen many BJJ expos that look just as coreographed as those. I believe there was even one of the gracies.

Realize that everyone puts effort into their martial art. I do agree there are scams and con artists, but have decency for many other martial artist. You cannot actually attack it until you have tried it yourself.

[jiujitsunoob]

[jiujitsunoob]

[jackjitsu]

But no one is bashing boxing, because it works! Sure, a boxer would have a huge problem against a grappler, as proven many times, but no one puts boxing in the same league as Aikido. Boxing actually works. Boxing is practiced at full contact with resisting opponents. A Boxer will KTFO an average joe on the street wih ease. We all know this. Boxing gets props from me because ive seen it work, its proven.

But Aikido? Man, ive goofed around with Aikdo guys before, and to me, it clearly falls into the McDojo league. You gotta admit, some so called "martial arts", emphasis on MARTIAL, are really not martial at all and a good debunking/bashing is well deserved in my opinion.

It pisses me off that so many people are still being fooled today into paying money each month to learn a supposed "martial art" for self defense that will do nothing but make them over confident and get their ass kicked in a real fight.

[rowandraper]

If I was that Aikido guy/girl with the long hair and some Karate guy did that to me .... (on the receiving end rather than studying their ineffective art) I'd take him down and mount him and see how he likes my friends GnP.

The force he used was way too excessive for a demonstration. He could quite easily show why Aikido doesn't work. Chump.

Also - my sister does Aikido (or used to) I'm going to drive her into submission to attending the RGA down in London. Hopefully she'll get something that works there.

[jackjitsu]

I actually thought the force of the kick was ok.

He used a thrust kick meant to push someone back instead of really snapping it for damage. The reason the guy went flying back sooooo much was because his base was so terrible, and didnt react to the kick at all by jumping back a little and moving his base to avoid the energy.

He's lucky he didnt use a kick with intent to damage like a muay thai body would have because he obviously had no idea what to do against a kick except absorb the full force

[rhythmythyc]

Guys, you really have to know what you're talking about.

It is true that not all martial arts were created equal. Neither were men - but just because your brother weighs 50 pounds less than you doesn't mean he's not a man!

Aikido is best against grabs and other control situations (standing) - such as those moves a bouncer would do on you. Against hand and arm strikes it has some effectiveness (you have to have really good speed to pull some of the aikido moves), and none against kicks. Yes, you heard it right - aikido has no defense against kicks as far as I'm aware. But anybody with any intelligence would just stay out of range of the kicks or dodge/block them ;p

I see it as a good supplement to other martial arts, such as BJJ and TKD. However, alone it's purely a defense martial art, and not a combat sport.

[jackjitsu]

Im sure you can pull something effective from every martial art, but that doesnt mean you should waste your time on it. Ever hear of opportunity cost?

For every hour you spend wasting on aikido, you could have been doing an hour of muay thai, or boxing, or BJJ, or Judo, or wrestling.... you know, stuff that works. These are arts where the vast majority of the moves work, instead of an extreme minority.

Ive seen so many choreographed aikido demonstrations. Its seems like its the only thing they can do. Have you ever seen a video of aikdo practiced against a real opponent that looked anything like aikido???

Its like that video of those two high level kung fu masters that got into a fight. Once the fight gets real, all their extravagent kung fu moves go out the window and they looked like two untrained kids wrestling on the playground, proving what a waste of time kung fu is.

Life is too short to waste your time on stuff that is 95% BS.

[rediska]

Jack, aikido demonstrations are not choreographed. When you see someone thrown with an aikido technique and the audience applauds, the applause is for both the uke and the nage for performing their parts of the technique well. The word "choreographed" implies deception, while there isn't any present.
You are not supposed to use aikido in a fight (except for the most intense, hard-core varitey), and the aikido practitioners know this. However...
Even several months after I quit aikido, my feet were still so light, I was almost dancing as I walked. Hm, I wonder if that would come handy in a fight? Think boxing, avoiding your opponent's punches by constantly stepping out of his range. Then there are all the Ikkyo arm movements, due to which my shoulders are *still* pretty well developed and strong. And after you do a couple hundred Ikkyos, your elbows are going to become way more dangerous than the elbows of an average person, because it's just like doing an Ikkyo technique, you don't even have to think - bam! bam! BAM!
That's just two examples and there are a lot more of similar indirect benefits, but the point is that you should stop bashing Aikido. True, it's not the martial art for someone who is serious about realistic fighting, because of its none-violent philosophy, among other things, but it does have some self-defense value and it's not worthless.

[jackjitsu]

[GreatBlueBelt]

Gotta agree with JJ, Aikido is one of the most unrealistic martial arts ive seen. I think your typical highscool scrapper would kill you if thats all you knew. A wrestler for sure. Im gonna do a poll

[rediska]

Lol, Jack, I'm not an Aikido BB, unfortunately, so I can't tell exactly how much a master of Aikido can do. However...

[nokneebarsonmeplease]

my ju jitsu instructor is also an akido instructor. on day when i came by to pay my bill he was in the middle of an akido class. i waited untill he was done. once finished i ask him about this akido and its practical application.
he stated " akido is an art, unless you dedicate almost a decade to it,their isno way it will ever be practical self defense. he said for self defense im in the right class. then i asked him what if i dedicated 10yrs to akido could i take a black belt in ju jitsu, he laughed and said" most likly no".he said a purple in ju jitsu could easily take an practicioner of akido with ten yrs experiance.

[Atomicfrog]

I love Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I think it's the greatest MA out there and pound for pound, it's one of the most effective. Having said that though, there seems to be an arrogance in the community that other martial arts are not worthy of respect. I don't mean this as a blanket statement, not everyone behaves this way, but I see a lot of BJJ practitioners casting judgment on other arts. If someone challenges the effectiveness of BJJ then by all means, put them in their place, but a true professional doesn't need to go around thumping their chest to prove how superior they are. Actions speak volumes more than words.

I disagree that a Martial Art is worthless if you can't kick beat someone up with it. People practice different styles for many more reasons than self defense. Discipline, fitness, self cultivation, character development, and self confidence are all valid reasons for practicing a martial art and I don't think it is our place to stand back and stare down our noses at others because they do not share our passion.

[vanguard]

Oddly, I've always had a higher sense of value around Aikido than most of the other martial arts. I kind of put it near judo. We had a couple of Aikido guys in my school and they always have wrist cranks to add to moves that actually make them harder to deal with.

[Tallmark]

You might want to check out "Beverly Hills Ninja" with the late Chris Farley. This will give you some insider info on this deadly cult that continues to exist.

[jackjitsu]

[Atomicfrog]