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jackjitsu
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 Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:45 am Post subject: Human Weapon - new show |
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http://www.history.com/minisites/humanweapon
If this mma fighter doesnt spar and own all the traditional masters Im gonna be really dissapointed. Spending years learning how to break a board, bah, what about actually fighting??? I hope there is an element of reality and debunking in this show. If they simply start spreading your typical MA mysticism again Ill shed a tear  |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| i looked at the martial art discipline list there and BJJ wasn't in it which is disappointing considering it's the first and best MA |
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jackjitsu
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| BJJ was not the first. Did you mean JJ? Actually, I have no idea which was the very first. BJJ is very new though. |
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jiujitsunoob
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Jason Chambers
A Total Fighting Challenge Welterweight Champion, Jason Chamber’s record as an MMA fighter is 16 wins and 4 losses. Jason Chambers was born in Chicago on March 23, 1980 and has been training in various martial arts since the age of six. He credits his Uncle Dean Chambers and friend Shawn Terrance for igniting his passion for the martial arts. Jason has fought in “Deep” in Japan and “Rento Maximo” in Mexico and all over the USA. Jason has trained under Renzo Gracie and currently under Beddie Eravo in Jiu-Jitsu. In addition Jason also holds the rank of “Phase 1 Instructor” in Jeet Kune Do under Joe Goytia. Some of Jason’s current training partners are Karo Parisayn, Bas Rutten, and Randy Coture at Legends Gym in Hollywood, California.
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From the above bolded section about one of the 2 guys in this human weapon program hopefully he'll be "real". |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: |
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To be honest, most other martial arts are ignorant to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and its status as the most applicable, and conventional martial art out there. There are a few theories I have on this...
A) Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is relatively new. It was created within the last 100 years, and since it is so new, the more ancient martial arts practitioners out there refuse to accept it as a viable form of martial arts.
B) Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (the Gracies mainly) has challenged the martial arts community's credibility. Forms of martial arts that have been considered the "best" and "most dangerous" for thousands of years were shot down in a matter of minutes. The Gracies have more than proved that BJJ is effective, but the political world of martial arts won't have it.
C) It's not flashy. It's conventional. We don't break boards, we don't do dances or katas, we fight. What's worse (for them) is we can fight full speed, and practice 100%. They can't. Not on each other.
D) The only defense against Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is Brazilian Jiu Jitsu! Even if their main style is another ground style...being Judo, Sambo, Wrestling, etc. You NEED to know basic Brazilian Jiu Jitsu in order to defend against a good practitioner of BJJ. You need to know what guard is and what he's going to do. People don't like change, and the winds of change hit the martial arts community when BJJ became mainstream after UFC 1.
I have a few other theories, I'm just a bit lazy right now. By the way, Joe Goytiya trains right near me, I was going to take some classes with him, but he was a bit too expensive at the time. Glad I didn't, otherwise I never would have gotten into BJJ.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Nice list of disciplines, should be entertaining.
Muay Thai: Ultimate Striking
Karate
Judo: Samurai Legacy
Eskrima Stickfighting
Savate Streetfighting
Pankration: The Original Martial Art
Krav Maga of the Israeli Commandos
Marine Corps Martial Arts
MMA - America's Extreme Fighting
Kung Fu
Sambo: Russia's Extreme Fighting
Bokator: Cambodian Blood Sport
Silat: Martial Art of Malaysia |
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jiujitsunoob
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:33 am Post subject: |
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somehow I double posted - sorry
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bma_mat
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| Even if their main style is another ground style...being Judo, Sambo, Wrestling, etc. You NEED to know basic Brazilian Jiu Jitsu |
I think Sambo can keep up with BJJ. Especially combat sambo, has very good grappeling in it. Nastiest leg locks you'll ever see. |
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bma_mat
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| MMA: America's Extreme Fighting |
America's lol? Since when is MMA american? It has been around for AGES, at least in an underground form. Even roman gladiaters can be considered a primitive form of it. But if WE MUST label a country for today's MMA, brazil would come before any American country in my oppinion. |
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jackjitsu
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Sambo is like BJJ with a leg lock focus. BJJ is like sambo with a choke focus. (except Sambo doesnt allow chokes at all! ) Ill take chokes any day over leg locks.
I also think people make a big mistake assuming Sambo can really hang with BJJ because of the Fedor effect. Fedor is a freak of nature and nothing like your typical sambo guy.
Go read my post about the Sambo rules. It makes their ground game a lot less realistic. Given a choice, BJJ all day long, but Sambo is a good alternative if there is no BJJ around. |
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bma_mat
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| Combat sambo though has some striking as well, if I'm not mistaking. Because I've read that you get awarded for points if you take someone down with a strike. |
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jackjitsu
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Combat Sambo is not directly comparable to BJJ, but sambo is. Combat Sambo is basically MMA.
An analogy would be
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bma_mat
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| But are we not relating which martial art could hold it's own against BJJ here? That's at least what I understood. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Well, I sorta have a problem with guys who create new hybrid systems, which simply throw everything into the pot, and give it some new name for marketing purposes, when its actually just MMA.
MMA is not a martial art, its a combination of a bunch of them.
I could throw muay thai, BJJ, wrestling and judo together tomorrow into a new syllabus, and call it "JackOwnDo" and claim its superior to BJJ.
Well yeah, it would be, ... but its still bullshit. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: |
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One more point..... The BJJ guys didnt call their MMA fights "Combat BJJ", its just vale tudo.  |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| yah jackjitsu JJ was first my mistake u can chek it out at www.rickson.com |
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bma_mat
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Well, any new martial art coming out with be a combination of martial arts out there. But then again, by your reasoning, you could say BJJ is also bullshit, because it takes the best out of grappeling arts, and ignored worthless parts.
So If I were to take the best of MT, BJJ, Wrestling, and Judo, and them implemented a way to put it together, I could call it a new martial art. It's what was done basically in BJJ. They implemented a better way to apply something that already existed, and concentrated more on certain aspects, and threw other ones away. Sure it evolved, but it started out that way. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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found an old interview with Rickson (circa 1994) Thought it had value to the discussion's direction.
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FC: When you promote Gracie Jiu-Jitsu are you saying that no other style or system has any value?
Rickson: No, that would be foolish. Many people don't know that my specialty is free fighting. I punch, I kick and I fight very well on my feet and on the ground. The goal is to be a well-rounded martial artist, especially when you are talking about real self-defense. I only say, "Look at what we have to offer before you make an decisions about our system." An understanding of ground fighting will make you a better fighter and martial artist, that's all. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: MT |
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| I saw the Muay Thai episode and the Muay Thai guy won of course. At least the ones they chose are legit martial arts. They are more real fighting arts, ones really used in the real world, minus kung fu of course. I really hope he kicks the kung fu guys ass. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| i'm glad to see that they're going to go over BJJ. the opening video or whatever it's called showed them doing it |
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